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Posted by: racer65
full all you people who called wanye haggerty today and told him i copied his intake you are all wrong he is my intake that another guy is making for me thats in the mini quad world also. so no one copied anything the pic on my website is wanyes intake i just wasn't giving him free advertising. thank you all for letting him know so i could get that oh so nice phone call today
Posted by: Coley'sdad#8
I would get a better camera, that looks like a picture of the back of a garbage truck
Posted by: racer65
ya i klnow sorry only thing i had at the point and time i will get a better pic in a few days
Posted by: rmuscle
wow some things dont change , for some un known reason they let you back on here and already starting trouble , im sure befor long they will realize that was a mistake
Posted by: Logan #34's Dad
Hey Chris, I can see the difference! My keen little eye spotted it. Did anyone else?
Posted by: racer65
your all wrong i want to help wayne sell these and another guy started making them for himself i didn't want to buy his because i already had waynes setup to sell well after he called and was a little rude i decided to drop his and go with these no one copied anything
Posted by: Logan #34's Dad
Ok, I'll accept that. What I see with this one is that it uses our current reeds right? What intake boot works on this one? And the million dollar question: has this one been proven to be as good as or better than the Haggery one?
Posted by: racer65
you use your stock drr setup these were to be tested last week not sure if they raced or not with the weather and stuff they will be just as good and for those who have v force reeds already won't need to go and buy another set so it's cheaper in the long run
Posted by: dazed&confused
don't really care who copied who ,if they both produce i am going to buy the best value for my hard earned buck.
chris ,do you have a cost ?
Posted by: racer65
they will be 150 the only thing is you won't need to spend another 150 for v-force reeds if you have them already
Posted by: tgcheeseman
Chris can you use koso intake and how would it preform with them. That's right as long as it will hold up and preforms great then cheaper is better in this economy. Its rough right now.
Posted by: Coley'sdad#8
Toby wants to know if he can get in anodized blue to match his gas cap and water pump impeller, that would look sweet
Posted by: tgcheeseman
No I'm not either. Coley but if your gonna mention it dont forget the Blue grips and blue chain tensioner. My son loves blue.
Posted by: bulldogfallon
The pic isn't very good so I am not sure what this is supposed to be doing as an advantage over the stock intake? Maybe it is the angle of the pic??? The neck looks pretty long, so I am not sure how that helps..
We already make an intake like this, but ours was designed to get the carb closer to the reed cage and to keep the inner diameter of the runner on the intake and reed stuffer the same..no disruption of flow ..maximum velocity
The Haggerty intake uses a much bigger reed valve so that is one of its advantages as well....
I am stilla little lost on what this product is supposed to do??
The intake is on the pic below, but my pic is not so good either, but it is an aluminum elbow between the reed cage and carb
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-10159477287573_2076_33939422
Posted by: racer65
this will clear stuff up a little
Posted by: bulldogfallon
Better pic for sure.....
So the savings here is for those that already own a stock reed cage or already have the V-Force cage.
That makes financial sense....
What results are expected by moving the stock size reed cage closer vs using the bigger reed cage as well?
Just curious....I am not sold either way yet
Posted by: #8trx450r
LOL
Posted by: racer65
as you can see thiers no size diffrence in the reed cage the idea of the intake is to adimize the fuel more and get more oxygen mixed with the fuel charge to make more power
Posted by: bulldogfallon
The reed cage we had in hand to use was bigger than the Minarelli V Force.....
Seems like this would unstuff the case though...
I have heard mixed reviews on the product, so I am not sure it warrants the investment yet.
Let me know what you come up with
Posted by: tgcheeseman
quote:
Originally posted by racer65
this will clear stuff up a little
Really sweet looking. Hope it performs as good as it looks.
Posted by: racer65
gary
Posted by: Coley'sdad#8
let me make sure i am clear here. you are moving the reed cage to the back of the intake, farther away from the motor???????
that would be adding much more volume to the crankcases making a stuffed crankcase a null point. We have always used small reed cage spacers to maybe get a little more bottom end out of a motor but never like 4 inches. dyno testing
Posted by: racer65
look at it this way and i'm not saying this is true for all motors but when we dyno test a 600 micro motor the longer we make the intake track the more torque we make and hp. thats all i'm saying on this matter everyone can make thier own mind up on what they want to do thanks for all the posts guys good and bad an opinion is an opinion
Posted by: chris grissom
It is an excellent TT package. I can explain the pros and cons of the longer intake and why Wayne and I developed this package if anyone is interested. E-mail or PM me. cgrissom@aeneas.net
Posted by: kfx450
I think we would all be interested in the pros and cons of this intake. easier for you if we just had a nice wright up on it.
thank you
Posted by: wrhracing
I am sooooooo glad you guys haven't figured which way is best for each engine or where to really go next with the project. But... I am impressed at how hard you work, seriously.
I'm not being Sarcastic... Just think.. after all your hard work, in 6 months or less it will come as a stock component on a race version of a mini quad, but it will not be a copy of anybody's stuff, just my version or their version. It's all good.
Haggerty has been buiding these things for a long time for Vespa's and other scoot's. Quite a market in Europe.
For the right venturi length, it's 10mm at a time with dyno runs in between each 10mm.
But for me it is two years of trial and error, 6 different exhaust configurations to get the big reed conversion to run it's absolute hardest for MX purposes.
This year it will be new exhaust for the 70's with big reed/airbox conversions.
Oh yeh, More Volume in front of the reed? Couldn't you just Put a couple of boost bootles with short hoses, to the cases, and see what that does? I would use the variable volume Malossi bottles. Best of both worlds.
This is not toward C. G. as he's been at this stuff for decades.
Posted by: bulldogfallon
Here is the revised version to accept a Minarelli VForce cage...so you won't have to buy the KX65 version if you already own one
Good to see you posting Billy....I always enjoy your shy nature 
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-10159477287573_2080_5394995
Posted by: wrhracing
Hey Gary,,
What do you think will work better than the intake you have pictured? Any idea? Somebody want to guess? What is the very best thing you could do for the intake?
And as most know me , they know why I'm shy about these discussion groups. I've just got to much time on my hands now days.
After all, once your on the top it's all downhill from there.
Posted by: Coley'sdad#8
NICE INTAKE!!!!!!!!!
we played with that back in the 90's with methanol 2 strokes.
longer intake tract with reed cage as close to carb proved to be very responsive , like a large boost bottle full of atomized fuel preheating. anyybody that has fooled with methanol knows that it is very hard to keep in the proper range but with proper flow work and jetting the longer intake (precharge) worked nice. How about your temperatures on the intake between the reed cage and the cyl???????? with methanol I had to design an insulated intake because we were getting condensation dripping iniside of intake causing popping (lean or water burn)
Posted by: wrhracing
I have seen the condensate form on the outside of our intake before. Using standard fuel. I can imagine with enough pressure drop on the other side of the reeds the moisture in the air would condense on the aluminum inside as well.. Just never noticed a running problem. But haven't used alchol only 10HP shot of Nitrous off the starting line.
Posted by: Coley'sdad#8
Did you say Nitrous
I love Nitrous, if somebody has never seen it, or excuse me, felt it than they need to. dad thought he had a leaky valve on his bottle after I took the rod out on fri or sat night
cause the bottle would be empty. I know he isn't that dumb.
Posted by: wrhracing
Yep Nitrous. we hid the bottle under the front cowling, powered the unit up with the stock ON/OFF switch on the handle bars, and used the electric start button as the solenoid-engage-inject-ten horsepowerofN20-in the engine button.
You could tell where he hit the Nitrous because it would just clean all the dirt off the top of the ground. Hard as heck to chose the right roller weights.
This quad was actually in the Indy Dealer show that year and made one of the ATV Magazines.
Posted by: Coley'sdad#8
WRH,
i got to giggling working in the shop tonight thinking about how much that bike had to look likie a "sleeper bike" with the stock switch control's until you hit the button
Posted by: bignasty
thought about trying this on one of our spare motors. Had a wisco forge piston made for it to hold up to the added pressure, but was too scared to HIT THE BUTTON and see what happens
Posted by: Coley'sdad#8
I have an old cheater series kit here somewhere and when I find it I am going to put it to an old 250$ bike and see how long it goes , good redneck entertainment
Posted by: bignasty
Posted by: wrhracing
The piston never let loose but with the 15H.P. shot the head gasket blew and a rather loud explosion..er...energy release came out the exhaust pipe. Greg Peak heard it and was wondering what the heck it was. AKA TQRA SERIES.
Fun is as Fun does.
Posted by: bignasty
The kit I found supposedly would give it a 5 hp shot or less but I would have to increase the main jet size to comensate for the N20. Was it the O-ring that went or the base gasket that blew out. Kinda wondering if I should try it now the season is over and see what happens.
Posted by: wrhracing
Air cooled at the time and it was the head gasket.
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