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Posted by: FoxHondaRider

Shootout between Yamaha Raptor 700r and the Honda 700XX in dirtwheels magazine. I went to the gas station today just to see what Yamaha dirt wheels raves about now and how its better. I skim the pages reading most about the 700xx go to the final outcome and as expcted from dirt wheels yamaha won the shootout lol Dirt wheels need to just rename their magazine Yamaha's best others dare to compare but FAIL lol

Posted by: troybilt

I just read that issue too, I was thinking the same thing. Its been Yamaha Wheels for a few years now. If I were a betting man, I'd say yamaha is s pretty big sponsor of that magazine.

Posted by: FoxHondaRider

yamaha deffinately pays dirt wheels because yamahas always seem to come out on top even though they are clearly not the best

Posted by: scuzz

I was wondering the same myself, but the 700xx has been on the cover in almost every issue.

I don't understand why they dislike it so much. They bash the IRS a lot and the weight a lot, but in all honesty it's only like 50 pounds. Also, compare their writup of the IRS polaris to the writup of the 700XX. If they would have given the IRS Polaris an 8 out of 10 then they make it sound like they would have given the 700xx a 4.

They obviously, only like it a little.

They also tested it in an area that it was not designed for. I understand the needs for a king-of-the hill competition, but the 700xx is obviously a trail quad and not a duner, although I think it will do well there too. (We'll see this coming Sunday)

I like Dirt Wheels, and I don't think sponsors are really what is swaying their opinions, I just think that these guys who are testing it are missing the point of the 700xx to begin with.

I can't wait to throw a pipe, a filter, re-program it and drop the front sprocket down a tooth and see how it does.

Posted by: troybilt

My thoughts are, (and I have nothing to base this on), but it seems that most of the test riders are ex-racers or current racers and have or had certain expectations for the Honda bigbore quad that they've been hearing about for the last 5 years and when this came out it wasn't what they expected and were somewhat PO'd or disappointed, for not being kept in the loop on the this machine. (just my opinion based on the attitudes that I've read or heard about...)

2nd regarding dirt wheels, it isn't just the 700 that they shunned, but also look at the articles on the utilities quads too. They think the 700 grizzly and Rhino is the best thing since sliced bread. So in my opinion (again) there doesn't seem to be much of an unbiased-ness coming from dirt wheels... these are just my observations.

With that said, I still read Dirt wheels, and I really don't care what a couple of test riders say about a quad. I will buy something based on my own opinions and because I'm somewhat of a Honda loyalist anyway. Honda's run forever. If I was in Honda's marketing division, I'd put my eggs in the "Honda runs forever" basket and sell on that.

Posted by: scuzz

quote:
Originally posted by troybilt
If I was in Honda's marketing division, I'd put my eggs in the "Honda runs forever" basket and sell on that.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Posted by: rgasper33

Ya... dirt wheels is a joke.. you guys do need to just ride one and see.. I do know that i seen one bout a month ago and they look way better than i thought they would by lookin at pictures. I wouldnt put much trust into what mags say. I have a buddy who has a 07 Raptor 700 and he rode my outlaw and liked it alot more than his. Yet dirt wheels made it sound like it was a joke compared to a raptor

Posted by: 525 Outlaw Dude

I agree with you guys to, the raptor is a nice quad but there are quads out there that can beat it. I have the IRS outlaw525 and have ridden with 450's and raptors, and banshees and i always seem to have all 4 wheels planted on the ground with power and traction. whether dirtwheels likes it the 700xx is a great quad and IRS is something that gives you added comfort and traction when the going gets tough. "I give honda and Polaris props for thinking out of the box and coming up with something new, and I cant wate to ride next side of a 700xx

Posted by: pilotpete

Yeh dirtwheels have been Yamaha butt F**ks for years.....do they think everyone is stupid???? i remember when the trx450r came out and said it's ok but the yfz is much better???? HMMMMMM well since they both came out which one has won all the races the TRX!!!! only bill balance has won anything on a yamaha and the X series is full of 2second class riders anyway....so if dirtwheels want to be taken as a real ATV mag then give us some real test reviews which are'nt tainted with your advertisment money!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

Did anybody maybe consider yamaha always wins because they are the best?? lol.

But in all seriousness, I love how the people who crusify dirtwheels never mention the times when yamaha didn't win in their shootout's.

Example, the raptor 350 vs the 300ex, anyone remember that one? I remember the 300ex winning and them saying although it was a little slower, the suspension was much better and so on.

Also, I don't recall the blaster winning any shootouts? They say the engine is too big for it's chassis.

But then, everyone jumps on dirtwheels when yamaha wins something.

The raptor 700 has fully adjustable high/low speed shocks, EFI, a beastly torquey powerplant, good handling, lighter weight, and awesome looks. Now, Ive never ridden a 700xx, but I see no reason the raptor wouldn't be good competition for it.

Not bashing honda or anything, i own one, but yamaha does have a nice little package with the 700.

Posted by: troybilt

I've been a dirt wheels suscriber off and on since 1990 and around the 2002-03 range they took a slant to the Yamaha corner and haven't really came back since.

I think the magazine stuff is just so political anymore, like everything else, pro sports, racing, etc...

For instance, you ought to read an article on the 700 grizzly, the dirt wheels test rider sounds like he stays up at night fondling his man-hood dreaming about a 700 grizzly, its ridiculous. Makes me want to get one and see if I get the same pleasure... hell with a grizzly who needs a wife! ...according to their articles...

For those in the desert racing, how does the Raptor hold up, I can't remember reading about anyone that races a Raptor in desert?

If it is that good, why don't more ppl race those in desert? just curious, I've always wonder that.

EDIT: better add the disclaimer for the yamaha folks, no disrespect to the Raptor! Its a great quad several buddies ride them in our group.

Posted by: D Bergstrom

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Originally posted by troybilt

For those in the desert racing, how does the Raptor hold up, I can't remember reading about anyone that races a Raptor in desert?

If it is that good, why don't more ppl race those in desert? just curious, I've always wonder that.

I have seen a few in the desert, mostly the older 660 version. The people who do run them love them. The problem with the new 700 version is no one makes a bigger tank for them, so the range is limited. If someone would step up and make a larger tank for them, I bet you would see more of them. (I guess the fuel pump in the tank is the problem.)

Why do you think there are so many Honda's in the desert? I know in the BITD series that I run in, I would say the majority is Honda, but there are quite a few Yamaha's and Suzuki's. Also, Honda offers contingincy, not much, but it is something. No one else does as far as I know. In Baja you mostly see Honda due to the fact that Honda offers pit support. (You pay a fee and you can use there pits. Includes fuel and people to help with the pit stop.) That is a BIG deal at a desert race. (The hardest part of desert racing is trying to find pit help. Riding, prep, etc. is easy compared to trying to find volunteers.) I bet if Honda quit offering that service, and someone else started it, I bet a lot of people would switch brands.

As for Yamaha paying Dirt Wheels for good reviews, yeah right. Do you really think a company the size of Yamaha has to pay someone? Pretty sure they can sell on there name alone. Everyone has there own opinion and comfort on a quad, maybe the test riders prefer Yamahas due to the fact they fit there riding style better. I actually rode a bone stock Raptor 700 and was impressed by it, much better then by bone stock 450R. Regardless of what everyone thinks, Yamaha makes quallity bikes/quads. I actually had a 2000 WR400F that I ended up selling and buying a 2003 CRF450R. The CRF was a great bike, but I did miss the WR at times.

I also think it is funny that alot of people think the 700XX should have been more like the Raptor. (Big engine, solid rear axle.) Now the Raptor wins the shootout, and some of the same people want to complain that the Raptor won. (Not really a comment about anyone on here, but some of the sites I have been to in general.) Maybe others feel that way also. Maybe Honda should have went the solid axle route? If you actually read the article, I thought it brought up some good points about why the Raptor was better, but since I have not been able to ride a 700XX, I will have to take there word for it.

Doug

Posted by: troybilt

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Originally posted by D Bergstrom
I have seen a few in the desert, mostly the older 660 version. The people who do run them love them. The problem with the new 700 version is no one makes a bigger tank for them, so the range is limited. If someone would step up and make a larger tank for them, I bet you would see more of them. (I guess the fuel pump in the tank is the problem.)

Why do you think there are so many Honda's in the desert? I know in the BITD series that I run in, I would say the majority is Honda, but there are quite a few Yamaha's and Suzuki's. Also, Honda offers contingincy, not much, but it is something. No one else does as far as I know. In Baja you mostly see Honda due to the fact that Honda offers pit support. (You pay a fee and you can use there pits. Includes fuel and people to help with the pit stop.) That is a BIG deal at a desert race. (The hardest part of desert racing is trying to find pit help. Riding, prep, etc. is easy compared to trying to find volunteers.) I bet if Honda quit offering that service, and someone else started it, I bet a lot of people would switch brands.

Thanks. Good to know. I know nothing of desert racing, (not claiming I do), just what I've seen or read in race results. Just curious that's all. I'd bet, like you say, on the Honda pit support more than the tank issue, haven't talked to many riders to get there perspective, though. I think if someone wanted a larger tank for a raptor to race desert it could be done.

Sure, I read the article. Didn't sound like the 700xx would be the best choice for the sandsport guys, and I'd agree with that argument... for now. Sounded like DW wanted honda to go the SRA route, (Honda version of the raptor basically), and was shocked they didn't. Same thoughts as Quad magazine too, to be fair. I think the entire atv industry was shocked with the IRS and I for one applaud Honda's innovation, same with polaris too. I like fresh ideas and new bench marks. But you won't read much of that in a magazine article. This is just my opinion. Take for what its worth. Not trying to PO the Yamaha fans.

Posted by: Yippie-Ki-Yay

After seing the 700 in person, i think it actually looks kinda cool. The pictures dont do it and justice. I think the 700xx is more of an all around bike, because it looks like it could really root through some mud. One thing i gotta say about it, that things seat is AWESOME. I sat on it, and fell in love with it, lol. I wish i had a seat like that for some long rides.

Posted by: toxicd

well the frame for my trx680r is almost complete and i hope to have it all put together by christmas. the motor was completely tricked out by rob barnum of barnumspro. for those familiar with the xr650r or the baja races may know who i am talking about. mike from hre atv is building the frame and i will have a long travel tcs suspension all the way around. the motor has everything imaginable done to it except stroked and nitrous although i didnt put a high compression piston in which i will change, but we are expecting over 80hp with just pump gas. i am planing to take it to glamis for new years and see if i can get someone to maybe do an article on it and do a shootout against a tricked out raptor. i think if honda offered a straight axle 700xx like polaris offers on their ifs bike then they increase sales. anyways i will keep you guys updated on the project.

Posted by: D Bergstrom

quote:
Originally posted by toxicd
well the frame for my trx680r is almost complete and i hope to have it all put together by christmas. the motor was completely tricked out by rob barnum of barnumspro. for those familiar with the xr650r or the baja races may know who i am talking about. mike from hre atv is building the frame and i will have a long travel tcs suspension all the way around. the motor has everything imaginable done to it except stroked and nitrous although i didnt put a high compression piston in which i will change, but we are expecting over 80hp with just pump gas. i am planing to take it to glamis for new years and see if i can get someone to maybe do an article on it and do a shootout against a tricked out raptor. i think if honda offered a straight axle 700xx like polaris offers on their ifs bike then they increase sales. anyways i will keep you guys updated on the project.

Post some pics please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doug

Posted by: boosted3g

I dont understand it either but ill give my thoughts after riding with a 50% mix of my riding buddies owning yamahas. We ride hard and ride nearly every other weedend and for the life of me i cant understand why anyone would own a yamaha after seeing how they hold up. For instance brand new 08 yfz540 SE, broken in around the farm then taken on its first ride in the woods with us. By the end of the day the fancy nerf bars are held on by only a few bolts it has more rattles and noises coming from it than i can count and it sounds like its on its last leg. We have an 04 warrior 350 and if i had a dollar for everytime i put tie rods and ends on it i could have bought a new 700xx. This entire time we just do basic maintenance on the hondas, mostly 400ex's. I know there will be yamaha guys defending this comments but this is my experience. Everytime i walk in to the dealer and ask what i need i tell them, "parts for the yamaha, oil and filter for the honda".

Posted by: Sick0

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Originally posted by pilotpete
Yeh dirtwheels have been Yamaha butt F**ks for years.....do they think everyone is stupid???? i remember when the trx450r came out and said it's ok but the yfz is much better???? HMMMMMM well since they both came out which one has won all the races the TRX!!!! only bill balance has won anything on a yamaha and the X series is full of 2second class riders anyway....so if dirtwheels want to be taken as a real ATV mag then give us some real test reviews which are'nt tainted with your advertisment money!!!!!!!!!!

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In '04, the stock 450r wasn't very good. The yfz was good margin better stock and lightly modded....... Not to menon the yfz won alot race when it came out. In '04 the YFZ set the standard for everbody else.It seams that yamamha doesn't have and real support. So not many top level racer are using the them......

The raptor 700r is a very good package....

Yamaha made the 450 class and the sport side-by-side. And the raptor is the quad to beat in the open class.....

Yamamha has the best line of atv's right now....... Not just one quad thats fast in full out race trim.

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

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Originally posted by Sick0
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In '04, the stock 450r wasn't very good. The yfz was good margin better stock and lightly modded....... Not to menon the yfz won alot race when it came out. In '04 the YFZ set the standard for everbody else.It seams that yamamha doesn't have and real support. So not many top level racer are using the them......

The raptor 700r is a very good package....

Yamaha made the 450 class and the sport side-by-side. And the raptor is the quad to beat in the open class.....

Yamamha has the best line of atv's right now....... Not just one quad thats fast in full out race trim.

couldn't have said it any better myself

Posted by: dscb_81

+1

Posted by: 04hemiboy

I think Can Am has the best line out right now.

Posted by: FoxHondaRider

everything is opinion. if Honda would make their 400ex better than new plastics or bold graphics on it, change their 250ex body style and make it chain driven with a little better shocks I think they have a better lineup. If they made the 450r into a regular 450r and then a race version thats wider with different shocks or wheels, and possibly made the 700xx into 2 models also keep the IRS and make a straight axle one too no doubt Honda will have the best lineup. Yamaha has the 250, 350, 450, 700. raptor 250 is no doubt the better of the 250 class, the 350 is a hunk of junk, their 450 is good, and their 700 is pretty good. The 350 is a waste its just stupid I rather see them make a 400 t up the competition more for the other manufactures that make 400's.

Posted by: WesDS450X

yeah the 700xx's and 700r's are slow, very slow! i raced them both stock vs my stock ds450x and spanked them so bad at the dunes!!

Posted by: FoxHondaRider

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Originally posted by WesDS450X
yeah the 700xx's and 700r's are slow, very slow! i raced them both stock vs my stock ds450x and spanked them so bad at the dunes!!

thats a stupid claim because they may not have the best gearing stock and there is other things like tires and rider abilities. What you need to do is take them yourself and time each run to a certain distance

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

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Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
thats a stupid claim because they may not have the best gearing stock and there is other things like tires and rider abilities. What you need to do is take them yourself and time each run to a certain distance

exactly. He seems like he's going to be one of those new guys that thinks he drives the coolest quad in the world.

They are two different animals. The 450's are rev happy with a decent top end, while the 700r is a damn torque monster. Dont know much about the 700xx.

Posted by: 525 Outlaw Dude

I highly dougt you spanked a 700r or 700xx!!! not saying that the Ds450 is a bad quad but just the 700r alone will easyly beat you off the line and im sure the 700xx would not have trouble either, you would be playing the ketch-up game the hole time and i dougt you have a much better topend then the 700r!!! but obivousely you are a pretty good rider and i give you props

Posted by: WesDS450X

frist of all i had a 700r, its not much faster then a 660r! i traded it for a ds450x, for the 700xx there ugly slow and a heavy pos that wont make it far! i mean if ur gona get a 700 get a kfx700!! iv seen 700r+700xx+kfx700 race up comp hill at the oregon coast and they all got smoked by the kfx!! (all 3 stock) but ill be gettin some footage of a modded 700r vs modded 700xx (friend just bought one plans on buildin it xD ) vs my ds450x modded

Posted by: 525 Outlaw Dude

Im also in the Proccess of Project Outlaw 525IRS! And I live just west of Hood River, OR in a small town called Cascade locks and I'll race you and I have $525 on my 525!!!

Posted by: WesDS450X

im down, when u gona be goin up to the dunes? i usly go tues-wed-thurs (my days offs) no weekends =[

Posted by: 525 Outlaw Dude

Im planning on going down soon, so Ill hit you up wonce the last finishing touchs get done, good luck because your going to need it!!!!!!

Posted by: 04hemiboy

quote:
Originally posted by WesDS450X
frist of all i had a 700r, its not much faster then a 660r! i traded it for a ds450x, for the 700xx there ugly slow and a heavy pos that wont make it far! i mean if ur gona get a 700 get a kfx700!! iv seen 700r+700xx+kfx700 race up comp hill at the oregon coast and they all got smoked by the kfx!! (all 3 stock) but ill be gettin some footage of a modded 700r vs modded 700xx (friend just bought one plans on buildin it xD ) vs my ds450x modded

The KFX does not smoke the 700xx. I have both and the KFX can't keep up regardless of what speed you take off at. I also have the Renegade 800x and it outruns them all, including the DS450 in a drag.

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

quote:
Originally posted by 04hemiboy
I also have the Renegade 800x and it outruns them all, including the DS450 in a drag.

Hell yeah!

Ive seen em give piped banshee's a run for their money

Them f'ers are fast!

Posted by: WesDS450X

quote:
Originally posted by 04hemiboy
The KFX does not smoke the 700xx. I have both and the KFX can't keep up regardless of what speed you take off at. I also have the Renegade 800x and it outruns them all, including the DS450 in a drag.

Yeah your a smart one comparing a vtwin to a single-cylinder motor! But anyways in the sand its a hole another ballgame! i like the comment below about piped banshee's considering i smoke modded banshee's up comp hill=] and my poor ds450 is still stock atm

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

quote:
Originally posted by WesDS450X
Yeah your a smart one comparing a vtwin to a single-cylinder motor! But anyways in the sand its a hole another ballgame! i like the comment below about piped banshee's considering i smoke modded banshee's up comp hill=] and my poor ds450 is still stock atm

Just get off this site. Your full of dog chit and don't even know wtf your talking about.

KFX700's arent that fast. To me it feels like a 4x4 with slightly better handling. A raptor 700, expecially with the big 3, will SMOKE the kfx, hands down. It's not really a comparison.

V-twin dont mean chit. I mean, look at harleys

Those things are slower than dog crap. Torquey, but slow.

And if your "stock" ds450 smokes piped banshees, the other riders either suck or your smoking pot. A lightly modded 450 will give a lightly modded banshee a run for its money, no doubt. But a stock 450 aint happenin.

Go breed with your ds since you seem to love it so much. It's you new guys that make this site look arrogant.

Posted by: hondarider661

man the 450s are the stuff these days. no ping pingers

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

quote:
Originally posted by hondarider661
man the 450s are the stuff these days. no ping pingers

450's are quick. And like I said, a lightly modded 450 against a lightly modded banshee is a very close race. But there is NO way a stock ds450 will beat a piped banshee in the dunes. Not a snow's chance in hell.

Posted by: hondarider661

you have to much convedence in them ping pingers.. we all know who would win in a race aginst a 'piped' banshee and a 'piped' 450.

450r's duh

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

quote:
Originally posted by hondarider661
you have to much convedence in them ping pingers.. we all know who would win in a race aginst a 'piped' banshee and a 'piped' 450.

450r's duh

stfu

If im ever in NC you better believe i wanna line up with you

Posted by: hondarider101

fine by me..

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

quote:
Originally posted by hondarider101
fine by me..

wow, wait a second, how come your using your old sn? I just realized it now.

Posted by: hondarider661

i logged into it by mistake..lol i dont know how but i didnt even notice

Posted by: justin1022

quote:
Originally posted by FoxHondaRider
Shootout between Yamaha Raptor 700r and the Honda 700XX in dirtwheels magazine. I went to the gas station today just to see what Yamaha dirt wheels raves about now and how its better. I skim the pages reading most about the 700xx go to the final outcome and as expcted from dirt wheels yamaha won the shootout lol Dirt wheels need to just rename their magazine Yamaha's best others dare to compare but FAIL lol

ha thats s oweird because my freind has a 700 crapter and i take him off the start but then he owns me and i only got a 400ex!!. but any way and my other freind has a crapter 660 and i beat him all around 660s are just a pice of **** and my other freind has a banshee and he takes me till he is wide open then i blow past him. and i do that all on a 400ex. ha my other freind has a trx480r and he beats a lthe machines easy from start to finage top mid or bottom end he beats them all but 700 to 700 i think the honda i a better machine just simplly because its a honda.

Posted by: WesDS450X

you must of spent to much money in a lil 400ex

Posted by: justin1022

quote:
Originally posted by WesDS450X
you must of spent to much money in a lil 400ex

not really the banshee was geared so it only did 110 he just wtanted bottom end and i dont no y but the 700 rapter didnt have much of the start.. my 400ex doesnt got naything into it comapred to what is coming in the mail i got 2 grand worth of parts in the mail all for the engine she will rip when its back together... only probme is the dam fuel 105 bucks for 5 galons... 40 bucks to fill the tank.. ha

Posted by: Hondamaster5505

quote:
Originally posted by justin1022
ha thats s oweird because my freind has a 700 crapter and i take him off the start but then he owns me and i only got a 400ex!!. but any way and my other freind has a crapter 660 and i beat him all around 660s are just a pice of **** and my other freind has a banshee and he takes me till he is wide open then i blow past him. and i do that all on a 400ex. ha my other freind has a trx480r and he beats a lthe machines easy from start to finage top mid or bottom end he beats them all but 700 to 700 i think the honda i a better machine just simplly because its a honda.

You sound so full of it right now, it isn't even funny.

"ha thats s oweird because my freind has a 700 crapter and i take him off the start but then he owns me "

Well, that is quite possible, but that's the rider. He obviously didn't know how to launch properly. They have so much damn torque, he should have owned you the whole race. Because a little bit after the launch, he beat you.

"but any way and my other freind has a crapter 660 and i beat him all around 660s are just a pice of **** "

Once again, but this is a little more believable. He still shoulve been slightly ahead of you, but wasnt as good a rider. I rode a 660 and wasn't too impressed for how large the engine was. Only a little faster than a 400ex.

"and my other freind has a banshee and he takes me till he is wide open then i blow past him"

lmao, now you really sound full of chit. First of all, comparing a stock piped 400ex to a banshee is like a trx90 to a 450. Plus, banshee's are ALL top end. You couldve jumped ahead for one gear, but then he should have just wailed past you. Even if it was stock. Oh, and your comment about the doing 110, that just made you sound.. like a huge idiot.
If he seriously was going that fast, he geared it wayyy up. Not down. They do about 80-85 stock. And if it didn't have any mods, it wouldnt have pulled 110 most likely.

And if you claim your 400ex got him there, I don't even know why I bother..

The stock/piped 400ex can BARELY if at all hit the rev limiter in 5th. They top out at like high 60's at best. You couldnt even gear it that high without it being driveable. Maybe if it was a downhill race.

Come on man, be realistic. I have a 400ex too, but I know there are tons of other quads (like the ones listed above) that with an equal rider will smoke me..

Posted by: warr72

Put them all on a track and see who wins. Oh I owned a craptor 250 for my son and what a joke. The best quality quad is Honda hands down. Oh and I live in PA and I will smoke that banshee on track or draggin. Friend of mine has a banshee with a 404 kit and I kill him on the track and draggin. Here kitty kitty. My 08 450er is far from stock too.

Posted by: scuzz

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Originally posted by warr72
Put them all on a track and see who wins. Oh I owned a craptor 250 for my son and what a joke. The best quality quad is Honda hands down. Oh and I live in PA and I will smoke that banshee on track or draggin. Friend of mine has a banshee with a 404 kit and I kill him on the track and draggin. Here kitty kitty. My 08 450er is far from stock too.

The only thing I ever beat with my 400EX was...other 400EX's.

Posted by: TRX450R2

quote:
Originally posted by scuzz
The only thing I ever beat with my 400EX was...other 400EX's.

Some of those riders sound very inexperienced also???
450R's Eat 400ex's for breakfast!

Posted by: HmF300ex

Ye I agree, the 700xx definitely wins the shootout for me, I've rode both and the 700 is a much smoother ride and the power is through the whole powerband, Raptors also have ****ty transmissions. Yamaha Wheels lol I agree kinda like the Raptor 250 vs. 300ex, they claimed the 300 was uncomparable to the Raptor, I say drive them for a couple years and see which one is still running strong!

Posted by: HmF300ex

quote:
Originally posted by TRX450R2
Some of those riders sound very inexperienced also???
450R's Eat 400ex's for breakfast!

Ye I wanna see a 440ex race a 450r and see who dominates

Posted by: HmF300ex

Ye my friends got a big bored 350 raptor and I dominate him on anything on my 300 thats almost stock lol, only thing is the shocks but i fixed that problem, piece of **** skipped 1st gear and wouldn't go into reverse a month after he bought it new.

Posted by: scuzz

quote:
Originally posted by HmF300ex
Ye I wanna see a 440ex race a 450r and see who dominates

You really don't have to wait long, just look through the dust of the sand drags. Don't get me wrong, I L-O-V-E the 400EX, but the 450r is a MUCH better quad. The suspension is better, the tranny engine setup is faster. Add an HRC kit and you're haulin' butt.

Why hopp-up a 400EX when you could buy a better platform for the same money.

450r's are getting pretty inexpensive and it makes a 400EX build kind of a waste of money when you consider the 450r isn't air cooled, has seperate engine/tranny oil and is about the same weight.

My last quad was a 400EX....

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/400EX/100_4994.jpg

Posted by: FoxHondaRider

on the 400ex vs 450r topic... I agree the 450r is a much better quad stock for stock. But it may not suit everyone. The 400ex suits me better, dont get m wrong I love the power of 450's but in the trails its not for me. HRC kit does make it haul, HRC450r ran a 9.5 in the 1/8th and the DVX & KFX 1 stock i think and the other piped ran 10.6/10.7 if i recall in the 1/8th. Of course think of the 450r has a better flowing exhaust, different cam, and a better header. There was a stock 450r there but I couldnt see what it ran from where I was at that time. I like the 450r a lot but I like how the 400ex will lug around and still be fast.

Posted by: sc400ex_rider

quote:
Originally posted by troybilt

For instance, you ought to read an article on the 700 grizzly, the dirt wheels test rider sounds like he stays up at night fondling his man-hood dreaming about a 700 grizzly, its ridiculous. .

now thats funny

Posted by: RATPACK Z400

the subject was 700xx vrs 700r, honda lovers just need to face it the 700r IS the faster,better handling ,of the two, honda dropped the ball this time irs is for the older people that cant handle the abuse a sra equiped sport quad dishs out. I mean what do you expect to ride your lazyboy though the woods!

Posted by: trailin'me

quote:
Originally posted by RATPACK Z400
the subject was 700xx vrs 700r, honda lovers just need to face it the 700r IS the faster,better handling ,of the two, honda dropped the ball this time irs is for the older people that cant handle the abuse a sra equiped sport quad dishs out. I mean what do you expect to ride your lazyboy though the woods!

who are you trying to kid here? are you actually trying to say a raptor handles better than a trx700? Wow... ill give you faster on a flat track in a straight line... as soon as the whoops and turns start... sorry man ... that is a fact...fanboy or not. first log or deep rut you come across .... all the speed and power in the world isnt going to save your rear end ..and youre gonna have to either stop ..pick your quad up over the log...or go shooting through the boulders and trees trying to go around the log or ruts ..oh wait ..you cant get over rocks either.

Dont even say it can be done ..i watched 2 raptors get trashed trying to follow me at flat river in Missouri(notice i say followed)...im not even a great rider and it was easy to see a raptor cannot make it on any real cc course.

id be willing to bet ..10 laps on any 4 or 5 or even 6 mile cc track ..id lap you ..and while i was waiting for you to finish (if you even could) id be out doing doubles and riding wheelies drinking a beer... hats off to you though if your body and yourself can take the brutal beating on a cc track for that long.

and really ... the trx has about 10 more hp ... which in theory one could take out a few teeth to take advantage of the HP ..and well ..that equates to more speed ... which i dont think anyone has attempted yet...

so there is no substitute for raw horsepower .. you can get lighter and lighter to the point of being flimsy and fragile (raptor) ... or you can add more and more horsepower with proven chasis integrity (honda) with a bit more weight.

the raptor is a good bike ... its aging rapidly though... and it has its place on the wall of fame for stuff its done ... times are changing ... and the direction most are going is to the cc world... where every part of the machine and the driver is tested...every ability is important... so no longer is having simply a lightweight nimble machine going to do it... it takes a balance of rugged, powerful, fast, and even nimble quad with the most important part ...a rider that can actually ride somewhere other than a parking lot.

Posted by: RATPACK Z400

you got a new 700xx wow! the raptor is by far in my opion a better trail racer than the x yes if trail get rocky the x got the clearance but for high speed turns and trails the raptor will out manuever the x and times would be greater on x dew 2 its body roll and slowing in turns to keep from rolling over and not sliding. please the 700xx is a good quad but race a real rider on the 700r and you will never get inside of him on the corners or faster out the corners . and most trails are made up mostly turns, rocky only in small spots, most trails are cut to avoid those spots if you like to go fasttrail riding.

Posted by: trailin'me

quote:
Originally posted by RATPACK Z400
you got a new 700xx wow! the raptor is by far in my opion a better trail racer than the x yes if trail get rocky the x got the clearance but for high speed turns and trails the raptor will out manuever the x and times would be greater on x dew 2 its body roll and slowing in turns to keep from rolling over and not sliding. please the 700xx is a good quad but race a real rider on the 700r and you will never get inside of him on the corners or faster out the corners . and most trails are made up mostly turns, rocky only in small spots, most trails are cut to avoid those spots if you like to go fasttrail riding.

i think id beg to differ with you now sir. I just put a "proper" front end on my trx ... and now not only with 10-15 more hp ... but more ground clearance ...tighter turning radius ..and more suspension travel than the raptor ... makes the raptor a 2nd place finisher with the correct rider.

as far as your cornering .. its a completely different animal than the raptor ...and thus you must treat it as such. If you were a skilled rider ... youd know youd have to get the rear end loose with power to start the slide ...something the raptor doesnt have enough to do and with a solid rear ..you would lose control of the rear before you even came to the turn... this trx has enough balls to spin tires at a moments notice ... simply the difference with much more power and torque with IRS.

I just finished riding a raptor on the same trails i ride my 700xx ... not even the same planet of a machine anymore. where the 700 really shines is narrow creek beds going up and down ... where your raptor ..no matter what your front end is ..will get stuck on the frame ..time and time again.

I havent even put on my razrs yet ...and already the quad is turning out to be much better than i had ever expected.

I know you havent ridden a 700xx yet ... so ill take your comment as nonsense. I dont knock raptors ... they were the best at what they did for a good while ..but no longer

Posted by: 08525IRS

quote:
Originally posted by RATPACK Z400
the subject was 700xx vrs 700r, honda lovers just need to face it the 700r IS the faster,better handling ,of the two, honda dropped the ball this time irs is for the older people that cant handle the abuse a sra equiped sport quad dishs out. I mean what do you expect to ride your lazyboy though the woods!

I personally get no thrill pining out my gears as I race up a sandy hill against other sweaty men... I enjoy trail riding and going on trips and when I am at the dunes its more high speed cruising then drag racing. I can guarantee your raptor wouldn't stand any chance against neither the trx700 OR the irs outlaw on any of the desert trails in cali / nevada or the tough trails in Utah.

Although the raptor is quicker then the 700, your suspension is obsolete for guys like me, and that old school sra crap you ride with wont ever cut it. I can tell by your post you have not ridden any IRS sport quads and probably haven not had much experience with trail or desert riding.

Posted by: CHIPPERBATES

WHAT AMAZES ME IS THE SRA GUYS WHO HAVE NEVER RIDDEN AN IRS QUAD HAVING AN OPINION OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE HANDLING OF THE XX.THIS IS NOT A UTILITY QUAD PEOPLE, THIS I A SPORT QUAD AND HANDLES AS SUCH. I AM A FAN OF THE RAPTOR, BUT AS STATED BEFORE THIS IS A NEW WORLD IN SPORT QUADS.I DON'T HAVE THE FRONT END THAT TRAILIN ME HAS, BUT MY XX TAKES TURNS VERY WELL, AND COMES OUT OF THE TURN LIKE A ROCKET.I DO HAVE SOME MODS FOR THE XX TO HAVE MORE TORQUE AND POWER SO IT IS ALITTLE FASTER THAN STOCK, BUT IF YOU KNOW HOW TO ADJUST YOUR BODY TO THE SUSPENSION YOU HAVE A FINE CORNERING XX. I HAVE FOUND ADJUSTING TIRE PRESSURE ON THE XX CAN DO WONDERS FOR CORNERING TOO. NOW WITH THE FRONT END TRAILIN ME HAS THIS TAKES THE XX TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL THAT EVEN I CAN'T COMPREHEND, I JUST PUT 1.5 INCH WHEEL SPACERS IN THE REAR AND I NOTICED A HUGE DIFFERENCE,LESS BODY ENGLISH NEEDED IN THE TURNS.SO THE RAPTOR IS A GREAT QUAD, BUT FIND SOMEONE OUT ON A TRAIL WITH A XX AND YOU WILL GET YOUR FEELINGS HURT!!!

Posted by: HmF300ex

quote:
Originally posted by CHIPPERBATES
WHAT AMAZES ME IS THE SRA GUYS WHO HAVE NEVER RIDDEN AN IRS QUAD HAVING AN OPINION OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE HANDLING OF THE XX.THIS IS NOT A UTILITY QUAD PEOPLE, THIS I A SPORT QUAD AND HANDLES AS SUCH. I AM A FAN OF THE RAPTOR, BUT AS STATED BEFORE THIS IS A NEW WORLD IN SPORT QUADS.I DON'T HAVE THE FRONT END THAT TRAILIN ME HAS, BUT MY XX TAKES TURNS VERY WELL, AND COMES OUT OF THE TURN LIKE A ROCKET.I DO HAVE SOME MODS FOR THE XX TO HAVE MORE TORQUE AND POWER SO IT IS ALITTLE FASTER THAN STOCK, BUT IF YOU KNOW HOW TO ADJUST YOUR BODY TO THE SUSPENSION YOU HAVE A FINE CORNERING XX. I HAVE FOUND ADJUSTING TIRE PRESSURE ON THE XX CAN DO WONDERS FOR CORNERING TOO. NOW WITH THE FRONT END TRAILIN ME HAS THIS TAKES THE XX TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL THAT EVEN I CAN'T COMPREHEND, I JUST PUT 1.5 INCH WHEEL SPACERS IN THE REAR AND I NOTICED A HUGE DIFFERENCE,LESS BODY ENGLISH NEEDED IN THE TURNS.SO THE RAPTOR IS A GREAT QUAD, BUT FIND SOMEONE OUT ON A TRAIL WITH A XX AND YOU WILL GET YOUR FEELINGS HURT!!!

Wow chipperbates yur retarded, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about lol, go masturbate to chips or something idk but shut up

Posted by: CHIPPERBATES

what is that supposed to mean a_ _ hole i own a xx and a raptor and the 300ex you must have so you are the one that has no idea.So your comment shows that your a little f_ _ _ head so go watch hanna montana thats more your speed.

Posted by: HmF300ex

I can't help that I don't have parents that spoil me rotten, I had to pay for my quad, rebuild the engine myself, and clean up the frame so just because I don't have the fastest quad out there doesn't mean im a dumass. I do agree that the 700xx is the overall the best 700 out there, but you don't have to shout it out in caps and all your doing is making yourself look like is a rich *****, you are acting like one to. So go buy yourself every quad out there, call yourself the best, make fun of anyone who isn't spoiled, act like you know allot and still get your *** kicked by a 300.

Posted by: CHIPPERBATES

well 300ex i'm not spoiled, i am 43 yrs old and have worked for everything i got.i'm certainly not trying to act that way, i've just been telling my point of view.and i am certainly not rich, just spend alot on quads for my family,my wife rides,so does both my stepsons and my 7 yr old daughter, so the quads we have are for all of us.i didnt know you were not supposed to use caps either i'm new to this stuff and these forums, and when you wrote that comment it pissed me off.i am not trying to offend anyone, i thought this was a discussion on our points of view and our own experience on the topic of the thread.

Posted by: somewon

quote:
Originally posted by trailin'me

as far as your cornering .. its a completely different animal than the raptor ...and thus you must treat it as such. If you were a skilled rider ... youd know youd have to get the rear end loose with power to start the slide ...something the raptor doesnt have enough to do and with a solid rear ..you would lose control of the rear before you even came to the turn... this trx has enough balls to spin tires at a moments notice ... simply the difference with much more power and torque with IRS.

I just want to point out first that slides can be done both by overpowering the tires to create wheel spin (power slides) and by using the rear brakes to disrupt traction (brake slides). I haven't ridden a 700 raptor, only the 660, but I'm pretty sure it has enough power to perform a power slide. Control of any slide is going to be more dependant on the riders timing and control that the suspension.

Now that I've said that, let me make a very imformed comment about why an IRS pilot (like me) will have to pay more attention when sliding than a SRA pilot. Because the IRS machine will maintain a larger contact patch during a slide it will inherently require more attention than a SRA due to the SRA being able to lower the contact patch of the outside rear tire easier.

In plain english, a little bit of lean goes farther in the SRA than an IRS quad. My IRS slides just as good as my 400ex did, I just have to remember that I need to be more agressive, use slightly more english, and keep in mind that the slide will end much more abruptly.

If I've got the physics wrong or anyone needs more info let me know.

just my $0.02

Posted by: suprdavtn

TRAILINME, what was wrong with the honda front end after years of r&d. is it the plow handling that dirt wheels said it is?
not sure what you mean by proper front end. explain please.

Posted by: trailin'me

quote:
Originally posted by suprdavtn
TRAILINME, what was wrong with the honda front end after years of r&d. is it the plow handling that dirt wheels said it is?
not sure what you mean by proper front end. explain please.

it does plow in slow technical turning ... IMHO its due to the enormous amount of torque and traction relative to the rear end IRS... when you turn ... naturally the inside rear tire of the turn has more traction than the outside ... this is somewhat helped by better tires in the front, widening and lengthening the front ... and using an anti-roll bar.

the harder you turn ..the more traction the rear gets ... compared to the front.... at high speeds its a benefit ..lower speeds it isnt.

you can correct it completely with front and rear anti-roll bars ... but you lose some of the independent travel of the suspension ... so its a trade off ...

no one is stating this xx is the king of mx ...but it is the king of baja and cross-country type riding. that is a fact ... by the 1 and 2 finisheers in this years baja 1000 were 700xx's and 3 was a honda 450r ..didnt see a yamaha on the podium

for instance ... this xx properly set up can fly over whoops ..which you can translate to off-road racing/ruts ...and you can even make huge mistakes doing it .and the xx says mmmm more plz .... where on a raptor youd nosedive and probably break your neck ... if you were sliding around a turn ... the xx with added tractin will stick the turn... its almost like youre on rails provided you can hang on.

every quad has its benefit ... and downside ..im just saying for the type of riding 90% of people here do ... the xx rules ...if you wanna get technical on an mx track ...sure id rather have a 450 ... tt track ... with anti-roll bars i doubt there is another 700 or larger quad that could catch an xx with a real rider on it.

Posted by: panteramatt

Look people, I read this and I think its funny how you guys bash dirtwheels cause they tend to rate yamahas better. Ive been a member here for a long time and am not brand loyal but the people on this site are HONDA BLIND!!!! They make great quality bikes but are the last ones to ever do anything to their bikes. I bought a yfz cause I liked it wat better than the 450r fro various reasons. Im buying the raptor 700 cause its very light, great power, and good handling and looks great to boot. Look at the rincon, I rode one and wondered why anyone would buy it so I got the King quad and am very happy. DONT BE BRAND LOYAL!!! Ride what you like.

Posted by: troybilt

quote:
Originally posted by panteramatt
Look people, I read this and I think its funny how you guys bash dirtwheels cause they tend to rate yamahas better. Ive been a member here for a long time and am not brand loyal but the people on this site are HONDA BLIND!!!! They make great quality bikes but are the last ones to ever do anything to their bikes. I bought a yfz cause I liked it wat better than the 450r fro various reasons. Im buying the raptor 700 cause its very light, great power, and good handling and looks great to boot. Look at the rincon, I rode one and wondered why anyone would buy it so I got the King quad and am very happy. DONT BE BRAND LOYAL!!! Ride what you like.

I somewhat disagree on the dirtwheels argument, but agree with you on ride what you like. I hope you enjoy your raptor, its just not for me.

Do you have a pantera? Or are you Panteramatt cuz of the band?

Posted by: scuzz

A wider front end would help the XX turning.

(i.e. longer A-arms)

Posted by: panteramatt

Do you have a pantera? Or are you Panteramatt cuz of the band? [/B][/QUOTE]

I wish I had a Pantera, but no just love the band.

Posted by: troybilt

I just sold mine last Nov. ...just curious. I don't talk to to many folks that have a Pantera boat around here.

Does the wider aarms help or hurt the slow speed turning?

Posted by: panteramatt

I thought you meant the pantera car.

Posted by: troybilt

LOL! Nope not to high-jack the thread but this was my Pantera I sold to a dude in Sweden.

OK.... sorry.... back to the 700XX vs. 700R debate.

Posted by: scuzz

quote:
Originally posted by troybilt
I just sold mine last Nov. ...just curious. I don't talk to to many folks that have a Pantera boat around here.

Does the wider aarms help or hurt the slow speed turning?

Wider front a-arms would help slow speed turning as they would have greater leverage in turning the rear tires as the rears are wider than the front.

Posted by: deathcorefan2

ok on the topic on dirtwheels being biased twords yamaha. the december 2008 issue had a yamaha wolverine, renegade 500, and scrambler 500 shootout. they called it a tie and said all the machines need at least one change.

Posted by: 04hemiboy

quote:
Originally posted by deathcorefan2
ok on the topic on dirtwheels being biased twords yamaha. the december 2008 issue had a yamaha wolverine, renegade 500, and scrambler 500 shootout. they called it a tie and said all the machines need at least one change.

Which at the end they said to go with the Wolverine. The Gade 500 is light years ahead of the other two.

Posted by: GE4x4

They did that 2 years ago when they put the Scram against the 450 Wolv. The Scram beat it in every performace catorgory, yet they gave the win to the Wolv as it had a speedo and updated looks. I have never renewed my sub as they are so biased towards Yamaha.

Posted by: deathcorefan2

quote:
Originally posted by 04hemiboy
Which at the end they said to go with the Wolverine. The Gade 500 is light years ahead of the other two.

they called it a tie. and the gade needed stiffer suspension and a lower price tag for sure.

for like 1800 over the wolvy it should be perfect lol.

scrambler won that one imo. the only thing it needed was it needed more "Features" i guess a speedo and stuff. and they said it needed better looks. who cares about looks.

Posted by: 04hemiboy

quote:
Originally posted by deathcorefan2
they called it a tie. and the gade needed stiffer suspension and a lower price tag for sure.

for like 1800 over the wolvy it should be perfect lol.

scrambler won that one imo. the only thing it needed was it needed more "Features" i guess a speedo and stuff. and they said it needed better looks. who cares about looks.

I know they tied, but at the end they recommended the Wolvy. The Gade should cost 1800 more. It has EFI, Vtwin, IRS, DESS, Visco Lock, projector lights. etc.

No one in there right mind looking for a sport 4x4 would pick any of the other two, unless money is an issue, age of rider or a Dirtwheels tester.

Posted by: deathcorefan2

quote:
Originally posted by 04hemiboy
I know they tied, but at the end they recommended the Wolvy. The Gade should cost 1800 more. It has EFI, Vtwin, IRS, DESS, Visco Lock, projector lights. etc.

No one in there right mind looking for a sport 4x4 would pick any of the other two, unless money is an issue, age of rider or a Dirtwheels tester.

again wrong.
the recommend all of them.
they say if you have a thick wallet and more power to go for the renegade. and if you want a little cheaper and dont mind the lack of power go wolvy. and if your more of a beginner go with the scrambler.

i would go with a scrambler over any of them. just in their tests they bent the floorboards in the renegade. and its heavier than even the polaris

Posted by: troybilt

I agree with04hemiboy... but in the end it really doesn't matter.

"... For the BEST ALL AROUND PERFORMING MACHINE and you don't mind eating a little dust now and then, pick the Wolverine" straight from the horse's *****.

I'll be curious to see how they compare the yfz450r, which is a sick bike, to the rest of the crowd. Also how the new Polaris 850 compares to the 700 Griz. I'd bet money they'll pick the 700 Griz...

Posted by: deathcorefan2

quote:
Originally posted by troybilt
I agree with04hemiboy... but in the end it really doesn't matter.

"... For the BEST ALL AROUND PERFORMING MACHINE and you don't mind eating a little dust now and then, pick the Wolverine" straight from the horse's *****.

I'll be curious to see how they compare the yfz450r, which is a sick bike, to the rest of the crowd. Also how the new Polaris 850 compares to the 700 Griz. I'd bet money they'll pick the 700 Griz...

WHY WOULD THEY PICK THE GRIZZ.

it only has weight on it. EVERYTHING else about the polaris is better. btw in another issue i have the 09 buyers guide, they say the KFX450R is the fastest quad you can buy.

..lol thats laughable.

Posted by: 04hemiboy

quote:
Originally posted by troybilt
I agree with04hemiboy... but in the end it really doesn't matter.

"... For the BEST ALL AROUND PERFORMING MACHINE and you don't mind eating a little dust now and then, pick the Wolverine" straight from the horse's *****.

I'll be curious to see how they compare the yfz450r, which is a sick bike, to the rest of the crowd. Also how the new Polaris 850 compares to the 700 Griz. I'd bet money they'll pick the 700 Griz...

This is another issue I have with Dirtwheels. We have 2 08 Grizzly's in the family and they're the biggest POS bikes I've ever rode. The EPS has no feedback and you oversteer big time driving aggressive. On top of that the roll on it is unbelievable. The ergonomics is horrible. The bikes stall all the time because of and issue with the EFI and Yamaha won't acknowledge it. I'm not a Polaris fan, but there is no way that the 850XP will not be 4x4 of the year.

Posted by: 250racer2010

quote:
Originally posted by HmF300ex
Yamaha Wheels lol I agree kinda like the Raptor 250 vs. 300ex, they claimed the 300 was uncomparable to the Raptor, I say drive them for a couple years and see which one is still running strong!

stock for stock the 250 kills the 300, and im not saying that honda is a bad machine. there both gonna run the same amount of time if there maitnenced properly. its the same with any machine there gunna run a long time if u take care of them

Posted by: troybilt

quote:
Originally posted by 250racer2010
stock for stock the 250 kills the 300, and im not saying that honda is a bad machine. there both gonna run the same amount of time if there maitnenced properly. its the same with any machine there gunna run a long time if u take care of them

I'll give Yamaha that one, I think the yFz250 is WAY better as far as performance than the 300EX. I remember when the only "High performance" quad from Honda was the 300EX. Thankfully we've come along way from that. I have the dirtwheels where they tested the 300EX on alky to the banshee. no surprise which one still won that one. But your absolutely right the Honda will still be running when I'm long gone...

I hope honda comes out with a 250 of their own, based on the 450R performance. Set up for smaller/younger riders.

Posted by: Backstabber

I rode the trails on my 400ex with two 700R's and a 660. We all had the same problem when we hit softer ground, our rear axles would drag. I would say how I wished I had the Outlaw 525 IRS. The Polaris seemed kinda cheesy to me but I still commended it for its speed, power and trail performance. I think honda wanted to take the IRS of a Outlaw, the beastly power of the yahama and mate the two. Honda builds amazing machines and I know I'll love this machine for power, speed and traction in the trails. I'm picking mine up tomorrow, can't wait! When the raptors and I hit the trails this spring I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Posted by: Backstabber

I love this machine!

Posted by: JJ69

i just picked mine up this afternoon. i bought mine used (for 3 months) for $5500 canadian at a dealership. i've driven it an hour so far. and i friggin' love it.

as far as power goes.. i havent hit 5th gear yet. as i only have rough as hell snowmobile trails to run on until this 3 feet of snow melts. I held it at a pretty consistant half throttle-third gear all the way through the whoops on the snowmobile trail, and on any bike with a straight axle at that speed you would've been over the handlebars 6 times. the 700 ate the whoops up like a champ.

my neighbour has a bone stock 700 raptor, this weekend we're going to have a good run and we'll see who dominates in what. we're going on an all day trip, so it'll be not just top speed, we'll see who's tired out and sore at the end of the day.
(and i haven't ridden a quad in 6 months)http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7503/dscf1001vq1.jpg

Posted by: Backstabber

quote:
Originally posted by JJ69

my neighbour has a bone stock 700 raptor, this weekend we're going to have a good run and we'll see who dominates in what. we're going on an all day trip, so it'll be not just top speed, we'll see who's tired out and sore at the end of the day.
(and i haven't ridden a quad in 6 months)http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7503/dscf1001vq1.jpg

Let me know how it sizes in a drag race. I'm curious to see which is faster and by how much.

Posted by: scuzz

quote:
Originally posted by Backstabber
Let me know how it sizes in a drag race. I'm curious to see which is faster and by how much.

Mines got a slipon, PCIII and a filter and I beat a stock 700r several times. He would just quit as soon as he got in third.

I never had a chance to race a stock for stock, but when mine was stock I raced a piped, jetted and filtered 660 and beat him by several lengths.

Posted by: Backstabber

quote:
Originally posted by scuzz
Mines got a slipon, PCIII and a filter and I beat a stock 700r several times. He would just quit as soon as he got in third.

I never had a chance to race a stock for stock, but when mine was stock I raced a piped, jetted and filtered 660 and beat him by several lengths.

Nice, I ride with a stock 700r, a 700r with weisco high compression piston, cam, intake, exhaust and power programmer, and a 660 with a weisco piston, intake, exhaust, and cam. They're pretty damn fast and I know my stocker wont be touching the built 700R.