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Posted by: d kelley

Worcs should run the remaining races like they did at WA. and stop running practice on Friday. It seemed like the day was much more relaxed in the pits and I think it made the traveling easier for some people also. Please dont say it is a safety issue because if it wasnt in WA., it isnt anywhere. It would also be nice if they could hand out trophies on the podium for everybody, maybe right after your race or as soon as its offical. It seems like the right thing to do, maybe some different classes at each race. Worcs is more than just the youth and PRO classes. Also, is there any coverage in the Media anywhere about our race season besides the ATVriders website? Fastest 3 minutes in Sports? Anything?

Posted by: raidernut

I disagree about the practice thing Mr. Kelley. I dont think that racing alone can make you a better rider, especially the youth. Practice is where you hone your skills, and have the opportunity to try new techniques and so forth. Well unfortunately most of us have busy lives besides traveling the worcs series, and for some of us that friday practice is the only practice we have time for. If i am going to travel to race we would prefer to get the practice time as well. Agreed on the trophy thing however

Posted by: CannondaleRider

Yeah....practice is a big part of it.

Friday is a day for all the tuning you can get done without running the off-road....and, mainly, practicing the MX. Not all the tracks have jumps that can REALLY screw you up, but some do. Now, there are going to be guys that will go out and try to huck those "do or die" jumps that we have every once in awhile...without any practice. Not all guys are conservative enough to figure out a track IN a race...while many have the skill to make that work just fine, others do not, and that IS a safety issue. A no-pressure practice session to figure out some of the bigger hucks, is much safer then a pressured start/first-lap of a race.

You also said that it made travelling easier for some?....I'm not following you. Nobody HAS to do practice. If there's still practice, but a lack-of would make travelling easier for you...then why wouldn't you just NOT practice? I'm missing your point there I think.

As for the trophies....I do agree, it would be nice to have trophy presentation for EVERY class. BUT, look at how busy the weekends are at these races now. Back in '05, and maybe into '06, I remember them doing presentations for every class...but it wasn't nearly as busy of a weekend. The increase in activity is, I'm sure, the reason they cut down on the trophy presentations. I'm glad they kept what they did though. The Pros, obviously, is kinda required. Media alone pushes that. But, it's the Pros, it's the big race of the weekend... But, the kids, mainly, is what I'm glad they kept. The ability to race, win races, and speak on the podium will help these kids grow up into better people...it's really cool that they have that ability. Presentations for every class would be ideal, but it would be really hard I think.

Posted by: timmybreakitall

WELL SAID CHANCE!!!! The MX practice is where I can figure out lines ie; jumping a double from the inside or throw that triple that no one else will touch. Unclassified is sketchy at best to try those things, but it is good to memorize "off road" section. I have a strong MX backround , sadly it only makes up about 25% of the overall distance of the course. I need any advantage I can get.

Posted by: CannondaleRider

Yeah...Timmeh's gotta figure out the ideal spots to throw the look back at people like me, haha.

By the way, Shelman, I gave my sister one of your goggle bag deals to give back to you. I just shoved it in my pocket after I gave you your goggles on the line..... She remember to give it back to you? That is, if you've been by S&S yet.

Posted by: SpyderRail

I can tell you that a lotof folks use practice to get dailed in on the MX. during practive everyone cuts the track and practices a few sections at a time and makes adjustments to get dailed in.
Sat during unclassified it took me nearly ten minute to get everyone off the MX track becaue they were "almost done, just need one more pass" it really made it tough to clear the track for the next race.

Posted by: QuadJunkies

quote:
Originally posted by SpyderRail
I can tell you that a lotof folks use practice to get dailed in on the MX.

Agreed.
Also...

As far as media, I do not know anyone else that does race Coverage or as in depth with vidoes and Interviews.I dont know of any site at all actually..
We have cut back on some of the Am Coverage (all the vidoes I did on holeshots last season) due to simply lack of viewers interest.

Plain and simple, riders focus on Youth and the Sunday Main for the majority for viewing Coverage ,so I cut that back this season. Its way too much for me to do ,especially when Troy ends up wrencing alot over the wk end.I had fun doing it, but they simply did not get the attn. I had hoped for.

This past race will most likely be a flop on Race Coverage because WORCS website has been down all week for lap times . I will still post some coverage if its up soon, but anything too far out will be all but forgotten by many .

As soon as the Washington Sunday Race is edited, we will have Rounds 3 and 4 on the homepage.

All the moisture killed my camcorder AGAIN for all the races aside of Pro Main vidoe.

I do hope however, everyone has been pleased with the majority of Coverage interviews,videos and photos from the season so far.
and of course,no one gets rich doing this, lol .... so we do what we can to make you and the WORCS series get exposed.

Im not saying theres been any griping in any way by anyone, I just wanted to let the viewers in general .

quote:
Back in '05, and maybe into '06, I remember them doing presentations for every class...but it wasn't nearly as busy of a weekend. The increase in activity is, I'm sure, the reason they cut down on the trophy presentations

Exactly!
We raced WORCS for the 1st time I think in 2003 and they done it that way until the wk end just got too full!! Its even hard for me(especially if I miss my own kids podium

!) to try and get shots of everyone when they podium kids on Sat, while they run the Rhinos.
I think all our riders are important, I just wish I had a twin!! hehe!!

OH... and as far as lookbacks Timmy.... You can do that all you want with me.You know Ill get it on film.

Posted by: LT80

Worcs reporting isn't as good as it is here that's for sure.

The guy for the sc ene did a good job this race.

Posted by: QuadJunkies

http://www.worcsracing.com/newsfull.php?ID=404

Posted by: d kelley

What I am saying is that not having to be at practice Friday made it easier on us because we didn't have to leave as early to be at the race. We were there Friday, but no practice gave us more time to set up, talk to people, etc. I know that I don't have to be there, but is fair to my kid that I don't take time off from work while others parents do? Is it fair to any kid that cant practice because of whatever reason while others do. In Nevada, we also have a thing called school, and most of them like the kids to be there as much as possible, same for my employer. Every race becoming a 4 day weekend can be tough. How can you not have time to practice at home but be able to take the time to be at the track Friday morning for WORCS practice. What extra time are you talking about regarding the trophy awards, last time I checked, they are still only giving out the top three riders a trophy, I don't mean they should stop everything that is going on to present trophies, but someone (read trophy GIRL) could be presenting trophies all day. After our race, everyone that is important to me is already up by the track, either pitting, watching, whatever, right after your race is the perfect time to do trophies. That is exactly how it is done in the GNCC. There is also no practice in that series. And please don't tell us to go ride GNCC next year. We would do it if it wasn't on the wrong side of the country. as far as coverage, just go to the home page of this website and click on the last race from GNCC, there are 19 frickin pages of coverage, I'm not saying don't cover the pro main, our favorite racer is in that class, just maybe share the love!

Posted by: CannondaleRider

Is it fair?!

-Is it fair that some can afford 150,000 to 400,000 dollar race rigs to pit out of, and comfortably sleep in, while others cannot?

-Is it fair that some can afford to have two or more perfectly matching, TOP of the line race bikes, while others cannot?

-Is it fair that some get complete factory support, while others do not?

-Is it fair that somebody always has a home field advantage at each track, because they are local, while other have no such advantage?

-Is it fair that woods riders go up against desert riders in the desert, and desert riders go up against woods riders in the woods?

You know what....yes, it is completely fair. Everyone can do what ever they are able to, or whatever they want to do, and I'm GLAD many are able to race the way they do. If that's the way they want to enjoy it, I'm perfectly fine with it. Everyone has their advantages in one way or another......Would you prefer WORCS to be Spec racing?

Come on dude, don't try to bring fairness into this situation.....some can practice, some cannot... If you can't make it to practice, or it's hard for you....Sorry? I don't see anybody else complaining about it...they do what they can, and don't worry about what they can't.

It's racing....do what you can, don't fret about what you can't, and enjoy it.

Positivity seems to be commonly lacking with your racing program.

I travel to these races alone, and yes, I'm lucky enough to be able to take a lot of time off to do it. I run bikes that are rarely truely race prepped, because I can't afford it. I commonly DNF races...or, in the case of PR, can't even practice/race all weekend, because I couldn't get the bike together. I rarely place well in the A-Class. I usually sleep in my truck, extremely uncomfortably, and commonly freezing my a$s off. I rarely am able to take a shower all weekend......You know what though, none of that is complaining. I LOVE it, I absolutely love it. I enjoy every single second of my racing program. From the moment I leave my house, to the moment I come home, I'm happy as can be...even if I had a bad race. Not to mention everything in between.

Enjoy the racing......ENJOY it!

Posted by: raidernut

chance- i agree with everything you are saying, except for the not showering all weekend part. Maybe YOU ought to consider skipping practice on friday as well.........just for cleanliness sake!

Just joking dude!

Posted by: LT80

Now that says it all Chance.
Grass roots. GOD love ya! That's what it's all about,,, heart.

Posted by: d kelley

Positivity seems to be commonly lacking with your racing program.

I travel to these races alone, and yes, I'm lucky enough to be able to take a lot of time off to do it. I run bikes that are rarely truely race prepped, because I can't afford it. I commonly DNF races...or, in the case of PR, can't even practice/race all weekend, because I couldn't get the bike together. I rarely place well in the A-Class. I usually sleep in my truck, extremely uncomfortably, and commonly freezing my a$s off. I rarely am able to take a shower all weekend.. WTF?? I'm positive your racing program blows

Posted by: SpyderRail

Hey Chance

Your forgot is it fair that some drive a really short distance to each race while others travel 12 to 30 hrs ONE WAY to each one...

Round 4 was the fist time I didnt travel 28+ hrs to a race.
Is it fair that some only traveled 4 or less hrs to the first three races?

D kelley,

If I was such a hater I would have to stop racing, most all of us race because we enjoy it.
BTW

I dont like the idea of trophies being handed out throughout the day. As a matter of fact I wish they didn't do the Sat trophy ceremony, I think they all should be done once at the end of the weekend for everyone to see. Give everyone a few minutes to relax and remember why we do this, as opposed to rushing around dealing with the rest of the weekends issues or packing up to for the endless drive home....

Your right this is not GNCC and if you did trophies throughout the day you would have 3 kids getting there trophies with just there familes up there to watch if they were lucky enough to not be racing or getting ready for a race.
I think its a great thing to see the kids get the chance to "podium" and see the crowd and hear the applause. again a chance to reflect on why we do this. I sure dont do it for the glory.

If you want your extra day dont practice. Its all about choices, some choose not to....
As far as telling someone that there race program blows. Well that is just being a HATER.

Posted by: CannondaleRider

quote:
Originally posted by d kelley
WTF?? I'm positive your racing program blows

That says it all right there Mr. Kelley.......

A lack of understanding of what racing SHOULD be about.....You don't seem to enjoy it, so why do you do it?

You should be ever grateful that you and your family have the opportunity to travel around the West coast(and beyond, if you so choose) and do everything you're able to do. Instead, you complain because some things "don't work for you"

Yet again.....it's racing, enjoy it. That's what this racing is for. Shouldn't be for the trophies, shouldn't be for the possibility of the currently minuscule "fame", shouldn't be for capital gain. Sure, those can be wonderful perks....I'll tell you right now, if I was in the pro class, holding the #1 plate, had full factory support, winning every race, etc.....but wasn't having any fun! I wouldn't be racing. Sure, I'd love to be in that position someday...but I guarantee I'd still be having a blast, loving everything about it....and not taking it for granted.

Posted by: QuadJunkies

I do have to admit, I have a BLAST hanging out with everyone on Friday, thats something I NEVER get to do!

but I agree 100% with SpyderRail,having all the trophies on Sun .seemed nicer to me .
Any ideas why they havent been doing it that way anymore?

D, as far as whats presented on the homepage,that will be something you will have to ask the Admin.
he very reasonable, I would just shoot him and email and see what kid of response you get.

School will be an issue for us next year with one of them entering High school.
Should be interesting .

As far as 19 pages... not happening with his girl. lol

Im a Mom with 2 kids and a Husband,who I RARELY see at home OR at the track,that includes while they race .. instead of being trackside for them, Im in the field for EVERYONE. Most of the time, I dont even unload my luggage until the week AFTER we get home, just so I can start to sort threw photos and get thing started......But I simply LOVE THE MADESS!! lol Watching you all and seeing our Sport grow means a big deal to me.I can see why the Admin. is so passionate about his work.
I work 40 hours a week,I help out on this site as well as my part time job at home.
It takes me roughly 1 full week to sort threw each photo to find that one specific rider to tell how they placed and give them that one second of glory that they made them top dawg in there race. I also edit vidoe ...I also try to cover as many classes as I can. I do what I can .

And our Admin.... WOW... where do I even start!!
That man travels all over the US and spends literally more time with the riders than he does with his own family at times.

I may not Share the love on the hompage, but I do share it in the Race Coverage section.I hope you dont think I cut ya'll short.

I just dont have more time than that to work with. D, I know you personally have told me you love the photos-much appreciated.

I think last season and 2008 has had the best Coverage overall for the series .

Posted by: d kelley

I am not sure how my posting that WORCS should cut practice gave anyone a free pass to attack my "racing program", to tell me I should quit racing because I am a hater, that I don't enjoy racing, etc. etc. is beyond me. Cannondale rider, you quoted me saying "some things don't work for me". I cant find where I said that, do not put words in my mouth. Spyderrail, your idea about Sunday only trophies is great, that way WORCS can just send people who only race Saturday or leave after their race their trophies in the mail. Tina, I NO way meant for this to seem like some kind of attack on your efforts. I very much appreciate your work, you take the best race pictures I have ever seen. I was hoping that WORCS would step up their efforts, thats all. I don't care who or how many people to it, I was just wishing they had more coverage thats all.

Posted by: QuadJunkies

D... I think WORCS still has plans for WORCSTV that should be up very soon. The best thing for Coverage we could hope for is for us to have our own Coverage on TV,but expenses are way too much money unfortunately for that.
Im working on Coverage as we speak now that the race results are now up.

Posted by: SpyderRail

D.
To start off lets clear up a few things. First It appears you would like to be able to get your trophy and go home.
Maybe you are not aware of this but if you don't want to wait around for the presentation you can go up to registration and pick up your trophy as soon as the results are official.

Second I think you missed my entire piont about a Sunday Presentation.

I have won my share of races (two national championships and a local series) yet I have only stood on the podium three times, each time at the end of year awards. I dont have kids, yet I enjoy seeing each and everyone of them stand up on the podium and grin from ear to ear when they get their trophy and their interview. That is one of the best parts of the weekend to me.

"everyone that is important to me is already up by the track, either pitting, watching, whatever, right after your race is the perfect time to do trophies"

So its all about you? What about the parents who race right before there kid and have to litteraly finish and then hustle to get there kid to the line? Or vice versa, the kid finishes and the parent is getting ready to race. I think you are way off base.

If the only reason you race is to collect trophies I feel sorry for you, for most of us its not about winning its about the experience, winning to me is added bonus.

I am heading way off topic here but I really hope you are not one of those parents who stands there and screams at your kid the entire race to go faster and win....

Go watch Dust to Glory and listen to what Mouse says about racing and quitting because it was no fun.
I have seen kids come off the track in tears because mom or dad is gonna (or currently is) yelling at them for not passing/not going fast enough/ not jumping/ or not winning, That is not what racing is about.
Back to it.
Second, If you find it that much more relaxing to show up on Friday, wander the pits and do whatever, that is entirely your chioce. No one forces you to practice.

I dont feel anyone "attacked" your program. Reread what I wrote, I did not tell you to quit racing, I said if I was such a hater I would quit.
IMHO YOU attacked Chance with "I'm positive your racing program blows "
you are not him, you have no better idea how he feels about his program than I do about yours.
Maybe you choose not to run your race program the way Chance does, but again its up to each of us to decide what works for each individual.
Life is not fair, Take a deep breathe decide what does or doesnt work for you and go with it.

Posted by: out4sand

I have to be honest...I wouldn't have minded a "insert trophy girl here" handing me a trophy for my podium efforts

I have a few WORCS trophies and in many ways would loved the opportunity to be handed one atop a podium, even if it was to a rather small audience. Sunday's awards are currently pretty drawn out and adding another 20 or so class awards would make them very drawn out. Don't get me wrong, I think everyone should and does deserve an award but I see the bigger or easier benefit by just giving the adult amateur awards out after each class finish.

As for the coverage, more would always be better!! We all have a vested interest in this series, so of course we would love to see MORE. I do have to give one plug - ATVInsider is the only published (not an online source) magazine following the WORCS series with multi page stories with multipul photos and it is basically a East Coast based magazine. Big props to them for their efforts!
I think giving QJ credit for her efforts, gos without saying

Posted by: CannondaleRider

quote:
Originally posted by out4sand
ATVInsider is the only published (not an online source) magazine following the WORCS series with multi page stories with multipul photos and it is basically a East Coast based magazine. Big props to them for their efforts!

The writer of those WORCS articles in ATV Insider doesn't do a bad job either!! He's got a funny last name though

Lol....just messin' with ya Mr. G

Posted by: raidernut

" I do have to give one plug - ATVInsider is the only published (not an online source) magazine following the WORCS series with multi page stories with multipul photos and it is basically a East Coast based magazine. Big props to them for their efforts!
I think giving QJ credit for her efforts, gos without saying"

Atv racin extra also covers every race of the series, i know because i have to do all the work for them. Although not as well as the atv insider guy does, it is national exposure.

Posted by: out4sand

quote:
Atv racin extra also covers every race of the series, i know because i have to do all the work for them.

That's GREAT, I didn't realize they did but I'm glad to know they do. I'll have to try and check it out!

Posted by: QuadJunkies

quote:
Originally posted by CannondaleRider
The writer of those WORCS articles in ATV Insider doesn't do a bad job either!!

FOR SURE!! Mr. G can WRITE a hell of a story!
Also, props to Mark and AtvRacin.. they def. do alot as well for our Sport and give the Youth the credit it so much deserves...

Posted by: komik

Yea those ATV-Insider Pictures are pretty cool, aren't they. I know the photographer personally.

I normally don't post very often. Tina, I know your pains all too well. As for Mr. G, thank you for writing the stories for this season...I couldn't do another season like last year.

Oh and not sure anyone has heard yet, but next race in Hollister, there will be handing out 2008 Worcs ATV Trading Cards (sponsored by ATV-INSIDER Magazine). So be sure to check them out.

Oh and those trophies are pretty cool, especially since they were designed and created by one of the WORCS Pro-Am racers.

See you all in Hollister.

The other Mark Williams....

Posted by: QuadJunkies

quote:
Originally posted by komik
Yea those ATV-Insider Pictures are pretty cool, aren't they. I know the photographer personally.

I normally don't post very often. Tina, I know your pains all too well. As for Mr. G, thank you for writing the stories for this season...I couldn't do another season like last year.

Oh and not sure anyone has heard yet, but next race in Hollister, there will be handing out 2008 Worcs ATV Trading Cards (sponsored by ATV-INSIDER Magazine). So be sure to check them out.

Oh and those trophies are pretty cool, especially since they were designed and created by one of the WORCS Pro-Am racers.

See you all in Hollister.

The other Mark Williams....

YO ELLIOT!!

So how many Mark Williams do we have now covering stories in the ATV World??
I lost count!

Im gonna miss hanging out with you next round, your a ton of fun to hangout with in the field.

Posted by: timmybreakitall

Those trading cards are a HUGE idea. What a great way to involve the kids
PS I'm gonna need about 500 more

Posted by: SpyderRail

quote:
Originally posted by timmybreakitall
Those trading cards are a HUGE idea. What a great way to involve the kids
PS I'm gonna need about 500 more

That will cover THursday, what about the rest of the weekend?

Posted by: WORCSYFZ199

I don't think practice should be eliminated but I think that it should be open practice all day with a few scheduled water breaks and a few scheduled youth rides. I think that the youth riders have too much time on the MX track on Friday. I don't see the point of having young kids on mini quads rolling over all the jumps on a track for the same amount of time as say pro-am riders who need to tune their suspension and get the bigger jumps down in order to help them in their race. The fact is that many jumps for them are physically impossible and it's not really making the most of Friday practice for the people who really need that time to get the MX jumps down. Also maybe run seperate youth practice for tracks that have mini/youth tracks that way they can still get some riding and experience in as well without any interruptions that way people can take their time with adjustments and be more confident in their race day set-ups. Another thing to fix if the schedule remains the same is to make the Pro-Only practice a Pro/Pro-am practice. I mean often times there is 3 or 4 pros out there, they use Open and Production races for their practice since they don't count for points anymore, also Pro's and Pro-Ams race on Sunday together so why not practice on Friday together? Plus practicing with the pros might help some Pro-Ams up their confidence and help them out with the track...just some ideas.

Posted by: raidernut

Last time i checked the youth pay the same amount for practice as adults, therefore are entitled to the same amount of practice time. And as far as them "rolling all the jumps" aside from the youngest 50cc classes, you need to take a closer look at what these kids are doing nowadays, far from rolling jumps. I do agree with letting pro am practice with pro however.

Posted by: WORCSYFZ199

Yeah, but have you also happened to check and see that they pay less for their races because they don't race as long so it would be only logical to then make youth class practice cheaper as well. I'm not saying that they ALL roll ALL of the jumps, but I've seen what they can do and they are on Motocross tracks designed for full-sized bikes and quads so they can't really help it, it's cool to be a youth rider enthusiast and support the sport and the future of it, but don't kid yourself on what they can do. It's not in the cards for them, even many full sized quad riders struggle with some jumps and that's another reason I think they could use the extra MX track time as well.