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Posted by: gbcap
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Originally posted by gbcap
it wasn't one of the OLN filmer people. is was one of RP's guys.
you are not responsible for that. but RP officials are.
i retract that statement. i was told earlier it was an RP offical videoing.
it was a versus guy according to the quickfill. he is not responsible for taping off the course. sorry
Posted by: joedirt
I heard it was John Ayers filming. I know I saw him in that creek bed earlier in the race.
Posted by: TheJaspMan
Who was filming makes ZERO difference. ZERO. It IS NOT the videographers job! Period!
You can't have the cooks taking orders AND serving the tables.
Posted by: joedirt
Isn't he the one that penalized Chris?
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by joedirt
Isn't he the one that penalized Chris?
Correct me if I am wrong but Ayers does not have a say in this type of situation.
Posted by: STEVENJANNA
I've been reading this thread with interest and until I watched the video I really didn't have an opinion. I don't race in the woods and I don't know alot about the ins and outs of woods racing, but I do know a cut corner when I see it. I won't call it cheating, I'll leave that up to my 2 small children who just watched the video with me and said it.
Posted by: joedirt
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Correct me if I am wrong but Ayers does not have a say in this type of situation.
I'm not sure.
Posted by: cletusEX
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Who was filming makes ZERO difference. ZERO. It IS NOT the videographers job! Period!
You can't have the cooks taking orders AND serving the tables.
So if it was one of the RP staff out there filming they shouldn't take part in what is happening in their series? I understand it supposedly was not a RP staff member but if it was one of the RP staff, e.g. Mike Holbert, videoing I would hope they would do something about it.
Posted by: Pappy
the one guy in the red shirt clearly is shown shaking head no...and waving his arms AFTER ballance passes. I cant see if he actually direct chris or is warning him not to take the line.
i hate to say it, but that cut wasnt legal, and im sure the guy in the red shirts should have their rear ends busted! not that they give chris an excuse....but damn! thats a big cut!
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by cletusEX
So if it was one of the RP staff out there filming they shouldn't take part in what is happening in their series? I understand it supposedly was not a RP staff member but if it was one of the RP staff, e.g. Mike Holbert, videoing I would hope they would do something about it.
What would you have them do? Tape the entire track?
Was there dust? No
Was another racer (Bill) 30 feet ahead? Yes
Had he been down that same exact trail several times earlier? Yes
Did the other amateurs have an issue going the right way? No
It was an error on Chris' part - period. But it IS NOT the videographers fault. Please, please, please do not insult my brain with that garbage. It was NOT the spectators fault either.
Posted by: joedirt
Surely we need hang someone!
Posted by: STEVENJANNA
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
What would you have them do? Tape the entire track?
Was there dust? No
Was another racer (Bill) 30 feet ahead? Yes
Had he been down that same exact trail several times earlier? Yes
Did the other amateurs have an issue going the right way? No
It was an error on Chris' part - period. But it IS NOT the videographers fault. Please, please, please do not insult my brain with that garbage. It was NOT the spectators fault either.
This reminds me of a conversation we had with Jack in Englishtown about a certain "feathered" mx pro. I think video was used in that situation as well. It's just a shame that the public never got to see that.
Posted by: grim one
yup, that is a cheat alright, no two ways about it
sorry borich fans, that video is plain as day
he should have just taken the secfond place he would have got
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by joedirt
Surely we need hang someone!
Naaaa, but I do think that EVERYONE deserves some slack for once. That includes Ballance, RP and even Chris. The bashing was absolutely sickening.
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
This reminds me of a conversation we had with Jack in Englishtown about a certain "feathered" mx pro. I think video was used in that situation as well. It's just a shame that the public never got to see that.
Agreed!
Posted by: cletusEX
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
What would you have them do? Tape the entire track?
Was there dust? No
Was another racer (Bill) 30 feet ahead? Yes
Had he been down that same exact trail several times earlier? Yes
Did the other amateurs have an issue going the right way? No
It was an error on Chris' part - period. But it IS NOT the videographers fault. Please, please, please do not insult my brain with that garbage. It was NOT the spectators fault either.
I never said anything about it being anyones fault but Chris'. I came by there seconds before and even though everyone one of those guys was waving me on I Knew it wasn't a legal line. All I was saying is if one of the RP staff, video taping or not, witnessed spectators trying to disrupt a race outcome I would hope they would step in. And as for other amateurs not taking tha line, plenty did. About 4 guys behind me took that same line as Borich. It was plenty wore in by the last lap.
Posted by: Jeff@TireBalls
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Originally posted by joedirt
Surely we need hang someone!
DAD!!!! 
Posted by: grim one
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Originally posted by brndnbllnc
I agree. This thread is gonna keep going on and on. From what I have read there are clearly people on here who are biased against Bill or Chris. Why? My only "guess" would be that there is a champion (BILL) who has been winning for 7+ yrs. straight and then you have (CHRIS) who is basically the most favored one to dethrone Bill for a championship. One is on a Honda and the other on a Yamaha, which doesn't seem to have as much affect on people as I had thought in the beginning. Here we have a guy(Borich) who is more "outgoing" and will get out w/ friends and have a good time, and then we have a guy(Bill) who is more a family, laid back, southern type of person who keeps to himself and doesn't get out as much or is not as sociable. I'm not biased to any rider. But, Bill is who he is and he is a multi-champion for accepting that! Hate him if you want, but at the same time, eventhough I am one of the guys ALL of you hang out with and are friends with, there is no reason to be "BIASED" towards one rider. That is unless they are not abiding by the rules! Say Chris didn't mean to "cheat" as most are saying...he still cut off 200-300 yards of the course, it wasn't dusty in the creek section where it happened, there WAS NOT a bottleneck, and he WAS caught on film doing so! Catch Bill or anyone else doing so and i'll say that they need to be disqualified for that race! Why? A pro rider of all knows the course and his/ her limitations. Since they did not "disqualfy" Borich for this race for the decision he made, he still has a chance at winning the championship. To cheat or at least "accidently" cheat even one race when ALL of them count and still be able to win the championship just isn't right!! Am I biased?? NO! So, lets all get together and ask to see the video for ourselves so we can at least see the facts of what happened whether it was intentionally or not. Chuck said it best when referring to golf. And the more the spectators the better, but some are causing some problems! And some spectators will eventually get seriously hurt if blocking a faster line that is a part of the course when the rider knows it is a faster line. None of us should be accountable for their injuries for they are putting themselves in danger! To many of us, racing is our occupation. We support ourselves, our family, or even to help the industries and technologies advance for the upcoming riders. Spectators of such or riders of such will eventually make the factories who are providing support start scratching their heads and wonder if they made the right decision on getting so involved! And Chuck, I agree...let's put the tab on someone else! LOL
and Brandon, why do you keep denying the baan myspace??
are you Biased against baan?
BTW baan has one of the biggest ballance fans you will ever meet.
So whats the deal?
Posted by: joedirt
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Naaaa, but I do think that EVERYONE deserves some slack for once. That includes Ballance, RP and even Chris. The bashing was absolutely sickening.
It was a split second decision on Chris's part which I'm sure he would like to make over.
And I watched the video a bunch of times and I didn't take notice to any second guessing on his part. Didn't even see him turn his head to look around.
Posted by: joedirt
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Originally posted by Jeff@TireBalls
DAD!!!!
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by joedirt
It was a split second decision on Chris's part which I'm sure he would like to make over.
And I watched the video a bunch of times and I didn't take notice to any second guessing on his part. Didn't even see him turn his head to look around.
Agreed! Which is why even Chris deserves a little slack here. A mistake was made only he knows what went through his mind in the heat of the race.
Posted by: gbcap
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Correct me if I am wrong but Ayers does not have a say in this type of situation.
i was told by a friend of mine that was at the podium that jon was the one that first protested the situation and brought the tape to prove it. if he is not involved then he shouldn't have pushed the situation till he was asked. if he thought it was cheating then he should have done something to prevent it too.
Posted by: 250rmike
true but going through that section plenty of times and walking the track previously he "should" have known that itwas not a good line. but he got penalized for it and what happened happened. i am a borich fan(but i am also a ballance fan) and i was lloking forward to a good battle to the end.
oh yea and yokley could ya get a win please.
Posted by: STEVENJANNA
I have a question. Wether lapse in judgement or blatant disregard for the rule, is the penalty justified? If this were an nfraction by a B class racer would the penalties be lesser or greater?
Posted by: 250rmike
i beleive the penalty was somewhat justified. i beleive they could have docked him the one position that he overtook but i beleive the penatly is not there to have someone say oh well i did it and got caught and got my position back i just be alittle sneekier next time(not saying borich did that). it there to have the erson say wow i messed up im not going to do that anymore. so in the end yes i beleive it was justified
Posted by: Jeff@TireBalls
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Originally posted by joedirt
Oh come on....I know you've seen European Vacation!
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by gbcap
i was told by a friend of mine that was at the podium that jon was the one that first protested the situation and brought the tape to prove it. if he is not involved then he shouldn't have pushed the situation till he was asked. if he thought it was cheating then he should have done something to prevent it too.
But Greg, had he not brought it to their attention what would they have done with the footage in editing? And are you suggesting he should have covered it up?
You DO NOT have to work for RP to point out issues like that. Do not underestimate that I wouldn't say something if I saw a blantent track 'shortcut'. I have in SC and I would do it anyplace else.
And in the end it is still would not have been his job to be the course marshall. And they cannot tape the entire track.
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
I have a question. Wether lapse in judgement or blatant disregard for the rule, is the penalty justified? If this were an nfraction by a B class racer would the penalties be lesser or greater?
No.
i.e. Morphew who got lost last year. And I think Angel Atwell at Steele Creek two years ago.
Sorry, let me clarify. The same penalty would be imposed.
Posted by: 250rmike
but that wasnt getting lost he had gone through that section several times and had to see how much it cut off that wasnt just an oops situation. i could see if it was a longer trail down the side of the trail but that clearly cut off a good section of the track.
Posted by: Admin
After watching the video, I would really like to know who are any of the people in the video that directed Borich up the line , so if anyone knows them, please send me a PM with any info.
Posted by: Johnny_G
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Originally posted by gbcap
the win should go to Bill on this one.
Bill still shouldn't have said the things he did say on the podium. don't hit a guy while he is down. don't bash another pro rider about coming out there to block you purposly. john would never do that. he admitted he cut the course and thats that.
'tainted' is the word for this year. sucks but true.
Nothing is TAINTED......I am a very close friend to both Bill and Chris, and have kept my mouth shut on this for too long......Regaurdless who wins the championship at Ironman both of these guys busted their butts and layed their hearts on the line for very close to a year now and he who walks away victorious is a champion and deserves all the spoils and respect. Heck they both deserve all the respect for the fight they have put up this year.
As for what Bill said on the podium......??????? He thanked his sponsors, and the fans after giving his account of the race. He was very very professional in leaving all speculation and mud throwing out of it and never took any shots at ANYONE. He simply stated facts and took an oppurtunity to thank his fans and sponsors with a smile on his face.......might I add all the while being booed by alcohol soaked uninformed fans. Before you ask....yes I was standing right there and listened to every word.
Posted by: cletusEX
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
But Greg, had he not brought it to their attention what would they have done with the footage in editing? And are you suggesting he should have covered it up?
You DO NOT have to work for RP to point out issues like that. Do not underestimate that I wouldn't say something if I saw a blantent track 'shortcut'. I have in SC and I would do it anyplace else.
And in the end it is still would not have been his job to be the course marshall. And they cannot tape the entire track.
Would you have said something to the spectators if you were there and saw them waving racers up this line? Not trying to really start anything, I'm just curious. If I was out in the woods taking pictures or spectating and saw someone trying to get racers to take a shortcut I would definitely say something. I would also say something if I saw spectators trying to get racers to take a dangerous line or one where they were going to get hung up bad. Is it my job? Definitely not, but as a racer I would look out for other racers. Not trying to redirect the blame away from Chris.
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by cletusEX
Would you have said something to the spectators if you saw them waving racers up this line? Not trying to really start anything, I'm just curious. If I was out in the woods taking pictures or spectating and saw someone trying to get racers to take a shortcut I would definitely say something. I would also say something if I saw spectators trying to get racers to take a dangerous line or one where they were going to get hung up bad. Is it my job? Definitely not, but as a racers I would look out for other racers. Not trying to redirect the blame away from Chris.
Damn right I would have. That was a HORRIBLE line to point out. I would be quick to let them know the racers could get protested.
Ignorance is only an excuse until the error is pointed out.
Posted by: Pappy
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Originally posted by cletusEX
Would you have said something to the spectators if you were there and saw them waving racers up this line? Not trying to really start anything, I'm just curious. If I was out in the woods taking pictures or spectating and saw someone trying to get racers to take a shortcut I would definitely say something. I would also say something if I saw spectators trying to get racers to take a dangerous line or one where they were going to get hung up bad. Is it my job? Definitely not, but as a racer I would look out for other racers. Not trying to redirect the blame away from Chris.
nick, i cant answer for chuck, but i will not interfere with a race period. i can document it, go tell an official etc, but as a journalist we have no input on something like this beyond writing about it and taking pictures/video. at many races, i am given a list of rules to follow and many of them clearly state we are observeres only and can only direct assistance in an event of an injured rider or fan.
the videographer had no business beyond calling it in and he did what he should have done. the bad part about that is the fact he is involved higher up the food chain in the series. i would imagine if he thought borich was going to take that line he would have prevented it, but from the tape there wasnt any time. that is an assumption on him not seeing others take the cut....but based on your first hand accounts, those guys were directing many up the hill. they surely waited until after ballance passed however to start back up with showing riders the line.......
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by Pappy
nick, i cant answer for chuck, but i will not interfere with a race period. i can document it, go tell an official etc, but as a journalist we have no input on something like this beyond writing about it and taking pictures/video. at many races, i am given a list of rules to follow and many of them clearly state we are observeres only and can only direct assistance in an event of an injured rider or fan.
the videographer had no business beyond calling it in and he did what he should have done. the bad part about that is the fact he is involved higher up the food chain in the series. i would imagine if he thought borich was going to take that line he would have prevented it, but from the tape there wasnt any time. that is an assumption on him not seeing others take the cut....but based on your first hand accounts, those guys were directing many up the hill. they surely waited until after ballance passed however to start back up with showing riders the line.......
You hit it on the head Pappy! And that is my point, I would have offered my opinion of the line to the spectators but NOT done anything about the actual path. But you can bet I would have reported the issue.
Good post Pappy!
Posted by: cletusEX
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Originally posted by Pappy
nick, i cant answer for chuck, but i will not interfere with a race period. i can document it, go tell an official etc, but as a journalist we have no input on something like this beyond writing about it and taking pictures/video. at many races, i am given a list of rules to follow and many of them clearly state we are observeres only and can only direct assistance in an event of an injured rider or fan.
the videographer had no business beyond calling it in and he did what he should have done. the bad part about that is the fact he is involved higher up the food chain in the series. i would imagine if he thought borich was going to take that line he would have prevented it, but from the tape there wasnt any time. that is an assumption on him not seeing others take the cut....but based on your first hand accounts, those guys were directing many up the hill. they surely waited until after ballance passed however to start back up with showing riders the line.......
fair enough
Posted by: STEVENJANNA
Is there a penalty for spectators interfering in the race or with the racers?
other than being "hung"?
Posted by: Pappy
i will add that if i saw someone directing a dangerous line id get right in the middle of it, i have seen that before and it almost came to a fistfight. people can get down right ignorant.
and a few of you have seen me with more money around my neck then your quad is worth, jump in a mudhole to get you unstuck
i do my best to stay out of the way.
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
Is there a penalty for spectators interfering in the race or with the racers?
other than being "hung"?
Sadly it's still the racers responsability to choose his own lines. So unless they sabotaged the course or blocked things or did some other physical injuction I would doubt it.
Posted by: Pappy
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Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
Is there a penalty for spectators interfering in the race or with the racers?
other than being "hung"?
i know in mx, atleast at the national level you cant help them beyond medical aide/safety etc. i watched dunk and another ride tangle and both looked to me for muscle to get them apart but i couldnt touch them, it would have disqualified them both if i assisted.
gncc is all about help, but some help isnt worth it as may end being the final case here. i dont think assitance beyond an actual cheating situation is against the rules at gncc xc events. in past races, sometimes it comes down to who gets the spectator help that ends up winning!
Posted by: Jeff@TireBalls
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Originally posted by Pappy
and a few of you have seen me with more money around my neck then your quad is worth, jump in a mudhole to get you unstuck i do my best to stay out of the way.
How many times have you been told not to wear your pearl necklace to the races??? 
Posted by: STEVENJANNA
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Originally posted by Pappy
i know in mx, atleast at the national level you cant help them beyond medical aide/safety etc. i watched dunk and another ride tangle and both looked to me for muscle to get them apart but i couldnt touch them, it would have disqualified them both if i assisted.
gncc is all about help, but some help isnt worth it as may end being the final case here. i dont think assitance beyond an actual cheating situation is against the rules at gncc xc events.
That's why I asked. An mx track is clearly defined (even if you move a course marker
) and spectators are generally not "on" the racetrack. I don't claim to know anything about GNCC or woods racing, but I do know spectators can be on the "track". So there are no posted rules for spectators in GNCC?
Posted by: Pappy
sorry jeff, someone has to show the bling
steve, up to this point, spectators have played such a valuable role in gncc races, to the point that their assistance is needed and damn near required for many to just get through some sections. mudfleas rule! as of late, there have been issues with course markings being tampered with but noone ever seems to find out who these people are. RP is going t have to regroup and figure out a better way to police areas to try and prevent things like this from happening, but with up to 12 miles of course to worry about, that is a huge task. and IMO, we shouldnt need track popo's (sorry gary) we should respect each other enough to not cheat or put ourselves in a position where we can be accused of it.
chris made a mistake no matter how you look at it, he shouldnt be run in the mud for it. he was penalized and we move onto the next round. ballance caught a huge break, thats racing. we move onto the next round. nothing good is coming out of bashing, we should be discussing ways to improve our sport and help those running events better manage them.
Posted by: Johnny_G
I'm with Pappy ^^^^^^^^^^^
Here is my first suggestion on making GNCC racing better.
30 Minute races!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by Pappy
chris made a mistake no matter how you look at it, he shouldnt be run in the mud for it. he was penalized and we move onto the next round. ballance caught a huge break, thats racing. we move onto the next round. nothing good is coming out of bashing, we should be discussing ways to improve our sport and help those running events better manage them.
BRAVO!!
Posted by: TheJaspMan
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny_G
I'm with Pappy ^^^^^^^^^^^
Here is my first suggestion on making GNCC racing better.
30 Minute races!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
And donuts and coffee at the four check points!
Posted by: Johnny_G
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
And donuts and coffee at the four check points!
Just donuts....coffee sux!!!
Dude.....that jelly filled one I ate right before the start Saturday was awesome!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: joedirt
Posted by: STEVENJANNA
I'm sorry I kind of steered this off track (no pun intended) with my questions. Ballance and Borich are 2 of the fastest guys in the woods and I believe that the deeply personal feelings about what happened is between them and the descision of the governing body having jurasdiction should be the end of it. We can debate openly on these forums about the particulars and I think that's what the forums are for, but to take things so personally as to attack the character of somebody is just....weak. Agree to disagree and move on.
Posted by: TheJaspMan
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny_G
Just donuts....coffee sux!!!
Dude.....that jelly filled one I ate right before the start Saturday was awesome!!!!!!!!!!
It looked like it, I was pretty jealous. All I got was some sugar covered thing. 
Posted by: Pappy
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Originally posted by Johnny_G
Dude.....that jelly filled one I ate right before the start Saturday was awesome!!!!!!!!!!
donuts no body told me there was donuts you all are on my B list now
Posted by: TheJaspMan
quote:
Originally posted by Pappy
donuts no body told me there was donuts you all are on my B list now
I only discovered the box an hour before the afternoon race! I was pissed! I'll save you one next time! (if I can keep JohnnyG and Brandon from eating them all)
Posted by: my88r
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Originally posted by Johnny_G
Just donuts....coffee sux!!!
Dude.....that jelly filled one I ate right before the start Saturday was awesome!!!!!!!!!!
im with you i hate coffee.
Posted by: JBENSON
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Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
I have a question. Wether lapse in judgement or blatant disregard for the rule, is the penalty justified? If this were an nfraction by a B class racer would the penalties be lesser or greater?
My thoughts exactly! If chris gets the pentaly every rider that took that line should also, PERIOD! 
If R/P wants to be fair they should do that. Dont just pentalize a pro rider, every other class should get the same pentaly if that same situation is an issue. Dont just pick on Chris, be fair to everybody!
Posted by: joedirt
quote:
Originally posted by JBENSON
My thoughts exactly! If chris gets the pentaly every rider that took that line should also, PERIOD! If R/P wants to be fair they should do that. Dont just pentalize a pro rider, every other class should get the same pentaly if that same situation is an issue. Dont just pick on Chris, be fair to everybody!
Posted by: my88r
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Originally posted by JBENSON
My thoughts exactly! If chris gets the pentaly every rider that took that line should also, PERIOD! If R/P wants to be fair they should do that. Dont just pentalize a pro rider, every other class should get the same pentaly if that same situation is an issue. Dont just pick on Chris, be fair to everybody!
that does sound fair.
Posted by: JBENSON
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny_G
I'm with Pappy ^^^^^^^^^^^
Here is my first suggestion on making GNCC racing better.
30 Minute races!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
Im with you on that Johnny! 30min races would be interesting! LOL!
Posted by: TheJaspMan
quote:
Originally posted by JBENSON
My thoughts exactly! If chris gets the pentaly every rider that took that line should also, PERIOD! If R/P wants to be fair they should do that. Dont just pentalize a pro rider, every other class should get the same pentaly if that same situation is an issue. Dont just pick on Chris, be fair to everybody!
Agreed!! Is there a list some place of the riders? Or will they simply step forward?
Posted by: JBENSON
quote:
Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Agreed!! Is there a list some place of the riders? Or will they simply step forward?
Good question. I dont know.
Posted by: Prey
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny_G
Nothing is TAINTED......I am a very close friend to both Bill and Chris, and have kept my mouth shut on this for too long......Regaurdless who wins the championship at Ironman both of these guys busted their butts and layed their hearts on the line for very close to a year now and he who walks away victorious is a champion and deserves all the spoils and respect. Heck they both deserve all the respect for the fight they have put up this year.
just cause you say it aint tainted, and you inform us how hard they have worked.... does not make it any less tainted
it was tainted from the begining of the year when RP endorsed and presented to the ama a ballance centric rule, whether it did or did not help him.
its all about perception...
Posted by: joedirt
quote:
Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Agreed!! Is there a list some place of the riders? Or will they simply step forward?
What...did they only have Chris on that film?
Posted by: TheJaspMan
quote:
Originally posted by joedirt
What...did they only have Chris on that film?
ey-yi-yi
Posted by: Prey
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
ey-yi-yi
i smell ayres hand in this...
Posted by: TheJaspMan
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Originally posted by Prey
i smell ayres hand in this...
Like so many others - what you smell is your foot so close to your nose....
Posted by: Prey
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Like so many others - what you smell is your foot so close to your nose....
it doesnt smell like foot, it smell like a butthole..... an airy butthole
Posted by: Johnny & Monica
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Originally posted by TheJaspMan
Like so many others - what you smell is your foot so close to your nose....
I was thinking of another body part instead of feet.
Posted by: TheJaspMan
quote:
Originally posted by Prey
it doesnt smell like foot, it smell like a butthole..... an airy butthole
LMAO
Well my evening on the net was consumed like a cheap beer - taken in fast, leaves a horrible taste in my mouth, makes me feel dirty and I will just piss it all out in the morning wishing I had done something else.
Posted by: yoshz400rider
I think the people that ripped Bill should feel sorry for what they said no one can dispute that video tape. And us Ballance fans yes there are some of us havent been piling on here calling Chris a cheater. I dont think he cheated took a line in the heat of a momnet there both great racers and deserve respect. So I will be cheering as loud as anyone when Ballance wins the 8th in Indiana. Next year I hope Borich makes another run at it with a manufactuer that supports him in Suzuki screw Honda they didnt realize what Borich means to them.
Posted by: gbcap
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny_G
Nothing is TAINTED......I am a very close friend to both Bill and Chris, and have kept my mouth shut on this for too long......Regaurdless who wins the championship at Ironman both of these guys busted their butts and layed their hearts on the line for very close to a year now and he who walks away victorious is a champion and deserves all the spoils and respect. Heck they both deserve all the respect for the fight they have put up this year.
As for what Bill said on the podium......??????? He thanked his sponsors, and the fans after giving his account of the race. He was very very professional in leaving all speculation and mud throwing out of it and never took any shots at ANYONE. He simply stated facts and took an oppurtunity to thank his fans and sponsors with a smile on his face.......might I add all the while being booed by alcohol soaked uninformed fans. Before you ask....yes I was standing right there and listened to every word.
unfortunatly, everyone will still be talking about this next year. that means its tainted. bill one that fair and square. i am not disputing that. after seeing the video chris cut the course. but some will still argue that the fans pointed him, the line was already there, way isn't that a good li ne if others use it, why don't they punish every other rider that used that like etc.
and YES, bill took several hits at other riders.
i don't remember the quotes 100%, but he said something to the effect of getting his 7th win HONESTLY, and that he didn't bring anyone out here to block for him too.
and before you ask YES, i was standing near the podium and heard it over the loud speaker. after he made those comments he quickly realized he shouldn't have and moved to thanking his sponsors and whatnot.
i want to put this all behind me. its not getting us anywhere sitting here bashing anyone. we all are going to cheer for who we want not matter what is said in a freaking online forum.
Posted by: spincr4hire
quote:
Originally posted by WOOLIN
I was there were you?
Fred, I'm protesting you, there is no way you should have gotten 2nd place in our class....
J/K...Good job dude!
Posted by: LT80
Why only this guy, that guy,what about this and that????
Simple, the famous 2 words that should not be part of any racing rule book...
""promotor discretion""...
IMO you GNCC ppl have the most consistant rules.
At least a video can be seen clearly in the GNCC series (that's for you steve).
I'd take a RP race over most any as far as rule consistancy.
Posted by: 79400ex
I looks like the track was laid out to close together there. It should of been used as a hard and easy line. Also, how close was the track together was it from bottom of the revine to the top of revine if it was closer than 50ft. it was a go cut. However, if the revine was double arrow on each side then it was a bad cut. They (RP) had the same set up one year in Tn. and very one was cutting a section out and a few went the wright way and they did nothing.
Posted by: Prey
quote:
Originally posted by LT80
Why only this guy, that guy,what about this and that????
Simple, the famous 2 words that should not be part of any racing rule book...
""promotor discretion""...
IMO you GNCC ppl have the most consistant rules.
At least a video can be seen clearly in the GNCC series (that's for you steve).
I'd take a RP race over most any as far as rule consistancy.
here is one of my issues that i told one of my buddies posting in this thread a couple days ago.....
RP should not be involved with the rules at all.... it should be the AMA IMO, they should send a couple reps to each national race with amplifying bodies of their choosing as the track officials.
IMO i pay my membership fees, plus my race fees and get very little in return minus the race itself, the least the AMA could do is man-up and be the responsible party for all rules/rulings/discipline on and off the track, and especially as the promoter, i believe RP has no right to do any of the 3 above items.
Posted by: QUADROOKIE
quote:
Originally posted by Prey
here is one of my issues that i told one of my buddies posting in this thread a couple days ago.....
RP should not be involved with the rules at all.... it should be the AMA IMO, they should send a couple reps to each national race with amplifying bodies of their choosing as the track officials.
IMO i pay my membership fees, plus my race fees and get very little in return minus the race itself, the least the AMA could do is man-up and be the responsible party for all rules/rulings/discipline on and off the track, and especially as the promoter, i believe RP has no right to do any of the 3 above items.
Good idea. Only problem is then our AMA fee would be 100/year instead of 30 or whatever it is. Also, then there would be no protesting. At least this way you get 2 different opinions/perspectives/interpretations with AMA being the final say-so.
Go Ballance!! 8 TIME GNCC CHAMPION!!!!
Posted by: force
I have been following this post and here are my thoughts....
IF YOU CUT TRACK, YOU GET PENALIZED!!!! DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!!!! END OF DISCUSSION. THERE IS NO ARGUING. THERE IS NO NOTHING. WHETHER BY ACCIDENT OR ON PURPOSE, IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU GET PENALIZED.
You can't give certain people priviledges and forget the others. That is not fair to all the others. I'm just wondering how many racers got screwed in all the other classes by people taking that line.
IMO, there are way too many trails in and around that track. And, the promoter needs to do a better job of marking the track. The GNCC series is making huge money on these events. You mean to tell me that they can't take the freaking time to layout (and mark) a course properly?!!
This has been my first post on this subject. And, it will be my last. Thank you for taking the time to read my rant.
Posted by: YAMAHAVIPER
It looks to me like the 2 that followed Borich should be penalized also.If you look closely at the spectators they were wearing Honda hoodies and were not waving for Ballance to turn and the 2 that followed Borich went further down the trail before turning.
Posted by: joedirt
quote:
Originally posted by YAMAHAVIPER
It looks to me like the 2 that followed Borich should be penalized also.If you look closely at the spectators they were wearing Honda hoodies and were not waving for Ballance to turn and the 2 that followed Borich went further down the trail before turning.
Posted by: Johnny & Monica
quote:
Originally posted by YAMAHAVIPER
It looks to me like the 2 that followed Borich should be penalized also.If you look closely at the spectators they were wearing Honda hoodies and were not waving for Ballance to turn and the 2 that followed Borich went further down the trail before turning.
They were already down the trail stuck causing the bottleneck
Posted by: QUADROOKIE
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny & Monica
They were already down the trail stuck causing the bottleneck
I got a bottleneck for ya!!!
Posted by: Johnny & Monica
You going to Ironman or do I have to wait until the Iowa banquet?
Posted by: xcyfz450
it could have ended up worse for borich. what if that trail he took looped him back around to maybe lets say 10th place instead of overtaking the lead? sumthing to think about
Posted by: QUADROOKIE
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny & Monica
You going to Ironman or do I have to wait until the Iowa banquet?
I sooo wish I was going to the Ironman. I have to save for vacation in Jan. But next year I am going to ironman and hopefully a couple Mo. races. I hope the banquet isn't while I am in Florida.
Posted by: jb500ex
quote:
Originally posted by gbcap
unfortunatly, everyone will still be talking about this next year. that means its tainted. bill one that fair and square. i am not disputing that. after seeing the video chris cut the course. but some will still argue that the fans pointed him, the line was already there, way isn't that a good li ne if others use it, why don't they punish every other rider that used that like etc.
and YES, bill took several hits at other riders.
i don't remember the quotes 100%, but he said something to the effect of getting his 7th win HONESTLY, and that he didn't bring anyone out here to block for him too.
and before you ask YES, i was standing near the podium and heard it over the loud speaker. after he made those comments he quickly realized he shouldn't have and moved to thanking his sponsors and whatnot.
i want to put this all behind me. its not getting us anywhere sitting here bashing anyone. we all are going to cheer for who we want not matter what is said in a freaking online forum.
and dont forget his uncle john ballance on hear with so many kind things to say about other riders. john ballance who runs ballance mx. and yes smr i got 100% comfirmation it is him
Posted by: yoshz400rider
Come on guys he took a bad line end of story. I like ballance over borich but wouldnt care who one they both deserve it but trying to blame track promoters and fans thats bs. If you look at the video closely you can see Bithell going the correct way also. Also Bill never said anything about blocking or cheating I was standing there and I know that for a fact. He simply said he was never physically passed which he wasnt.
Posted by: amorefield
Yeah youre quadland securuty protecting Borich from quad terrorists arent you. Go getem retard I mean jb500ex.
Posted by: jb500ex
quote:
Originally posted by amorefield
Yeah youre quadland securuty protecting Borich from quad terrorists arent you. Go getem retard I mean jb500ex.
before you call someone a retard learn to spell p#ssy
Posted by: joedirt
quote:
Originally posted by jb500ex
before you call someone a retard learn to spell p#ssy
Posted by: amorefield
who did you get confirmation from that Im a p#ssy.
Posted by: Prey
quote:
Originally posted by QUADROOKIE
I sooo wish I was going to the Ironman. I have to save for vacation in Jan. But next year I am going to ironman and hopefully a couple Mo. races. I hope the banquet isn't while I am in Florida.
you say that every year queer, and then never show
Posted by: Prey
quote:
Originally posted by QUADROOKIE
Good idea. Only problem is then our AMA fee would be 100/year instead of 30 or whatever it is. Also, then there would be no protesting. At least this way you get 2 different opinions/perspectives/interpretations with AMA being the final say-so.
Go Ballance!! 8 TIME GNCC CHAMPION!!!!
it shouldnt raise anything 1st of all quadpuss, i am essentially paying the ama to send me useless spam letters at this point.
how does that stop protesting you retard... oh you meant appeals.... who cares about 2 views, things are either right or wrong no matter how many times they are appealed, even for your cheatin morning lapped arse
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