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Bolt pattern?
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Posted by: gnccquadracer

Anyone know for sure what the bolt patterns are ?

Posted by: Punk'd

I was wondering the exact same thing.

Posted by: N300exJ

I heard/read somewhere it was the same as honda.

Posted by: Punk'd

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Originally posted by N300exJ
I heard/read somewhere it was the same as honda.

I hope so..

Posted by: 54warrior

I would assume that it is the Honda pattern, as that seems to be the standard. The C'Dale's had Honda pattern as well.

Posted by: culichi

i hope so too because its the same as suzuki

Posted by: SlOoT

All the european race quads use Honda patern 2.

Posted by: quadgod440ex

Yes it is honda pattern.

Posted by: One_Bad_400

haha... seems like everyone uses inivations from honda... BUT yamaha?!?! and they wonder why there stuff is always breaking down?

Posted by: 54warrior

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Originally posted by One_Bad_400
haha... seems like everyone uses inivations from honda... BUT yamaha?!?! and they wonder why there stuff is always breaking down?

I don't think you can really consider the size of the bolt pattern as an "innovation". It's simply what Honda used waay back in 1986 on the 250R and since 95% of the race quads until 2004 were 250R's, everyone had wheels with the Honda bolt patterns. It's kinda been a "snowball" effect ever since. The MFG's knew that people wouldn't want to buy new beadlock wheels just because their new 450 had a different pattern (think C'Dale, 'Zuki 450, TRX450,etc). I guess it was sort of a favor to us.

This is also the reason you can buy Yamaha splined hubs with the Honda bolt patterns. It's a matter of convenience, not "innovation".

At least that's what my thoughts on the subject are.

Posted by: One_Bad_400

i wasnt just talking about the bolt pattern... i was talking about honda's chian tightener design... honda's frame geomatry...

Posted by: 54warrior

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Originally posted by One_Bad_400
i wasnt just talking about the bolt pattern... i was talking about honda's chian tightener design... honda's frame geomatry...

Ahhh, gotcha. Well, can't argue those facts. They got it damn near perfect with the 250R (geometry) and you can't really get a simpler chain tensioner system. (You could, but it wouldn't be as durable/maintenance free).

Some are pretty much copying the radiator shroud design of the YFZ450 though.

Posted by: don_carallo

..Honda invented race quads, simple

Posted by: bwamos

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..Honda invented race quads, simple

Using the term invent loosley.
Actually I beleive Suzuki "invented" the 2nd generation race atv (quad) with the LT250R. Honda perfected it with the TRX250R, however.

Posted by: Toadz400

quote:
Originally posted by bwamos
Using the term invent loosley.
Actually I beleive Suzuki "invented" the 2nd generation race atv (quad) with the LT250R. Honda perfected it with the TRX250R, however.

Yep. Suzuki is the company that started it all.

Posted by: 54warrior

I know where there is a 1985 Suzuki Quadracer for sale, PEP Front Schoks, +2 Arms, Braided Lines, Durablue Axle, Riken Grooved Front Tires, Turf Tamers on the back, FMF Pipe/Silencer/Reeds, Maier Race Cut Plastic.

I don't think the guy wants much for it. If anyone is interested, PM me I'll send you the #. It's in Western PA, near Sharon.

Posted by: firefighterjosh

Cdale Started the race quad theme

I think they had aluminum frames and EFI 5 years ago.

Posted by: 54warrior

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Originally posted by firefighterjosh
Cdale Started the race quad theme

I think they had aluminum frames and EFI 5 years ago.

Don't forget these other "firsts", all stock on the Moto. Keep in mind this was a 2001 model, that means it's taken 7 model years for someone to catch up with MOST of these features. I hope Can-Am succeeds where Cannondale failed.

Wave Rotors, front and rear
Braided Stainless Brake Lines, F/R
18" Rear and 20" Front Tires
Wider A-arms
Wider Axle
Tag "Fat" Bars
Hydraulic Clutch
Gripper Seats
Race Shocks (Ohlins, with Rezzies)
Removable Subframe?(did 400EX have one? can't remember)
Handguards (might of only been the Blaze models, again, can't remember)
Heim Joint Tie Rods
Heavy Duty Steering Stems (made by Arens)
FMF Titanium Exhaust
Pro-Peg Nerf Bars

It still pains me today that they couldn't make a go of it. Thanks for getting the ball rolling C'Dale!!!