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Posted by: Chino886
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Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Chad,
Some girl just walked in my office this morning and inspected my package..
The motor will be in the mail tommorow morning with a 943 web cam in the box as well.
~Jay
Your girlfriend is not going to like that reply! 
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
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Originally posted by thump4863
I'm curious about your component setup - are you using a JB TT swinger also? If so what linkage are you running?
Alright sorry, i didn't even notice you responded on here. I am using all JB racing suspension components. I do have the JB racing Tubular style - 1 3/8 swinger along with a Janssen Racing Billet carrier.
I am using a ZPS triple rate PEP ARC rear shock with a Custom billet linkage setup. The linkage is somewhat similar to stock but uses billet aluminum...
~jay
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
quote:
Originally posted by Chino886
Your girlfriend is not going to like that reply!
Shhhh... what she don't know, won't hurt her...
BTW... the girl was f***** HOT!!!!
I am going to continue my search for a better package to sent it in, so hopefully i find something better than what i have. All i know is it will be packed to the gills!!!!
~Jay
Posted by: Chino886
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Shhhh... what she don't know, won't hurt her...
BTW... the girl was f***** HOT!!!!
I am going to continue my search for a better package to sent it in, so hopefully i find something better than what i have. All i know is it will be packed to the gills!!!!
~Jay
Send it to me and drop it on the floor before you ship it so I can file a claim with the "hot inspector"! 
Posted by: thump4863
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Alright sorry, i didn't even notice you responded on here. I am using all JB racing suspension components. I do have the JB racing Tubular style - 1 3/8 swinger along with a Janssen Racing Billet carrier.
I am using a ZPS triple rate PEP ARC rear shock with a Custom billet linkage setup. The linkage is somewhat similar to stock but uses billet aluminum...
~jay
Thanks - I've already ordered my setup - I went with JB also but am getting a Baldwin linkage that he built to go with the JB and PEP setup.
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Dave,
She is a local rep so that wouldnt' work out too well for ya. Hell if i sent you a box and you damaged it on purpose you might get stuck with a 350 pounder..
Thump:
Post some pics when you get your setup..
Posted by: Chino886
Well Screw the motor, call her back, when she gets there, pack her up and ship her to me!
The PEPs should be arriving there anyday for measurements! Then I will be calling Baldwin for setup questions!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Sweet dave!! I can't wait to see your build come together also.
Hey BTW: The ATVA put out there national schedule for next year yesterday and looks like i'll be coming down by you around july. There is a National TT race down in Ava, MO...You should meet me there!!!
~Jay
Posted by: Chino886
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Sweet dave!! I can't wait to see your build come together also.
Hey BTW: The ATVA put out there national schedule for next year yesterday and looks like i'll be coming down by you around july. There is a National TT race down in Ava, MO...You should meet me there!!!
~Jay
And set my bike up in the Parking lot before Practice!
Sounds like a plan to me, just hope it isn't July 4th!
Posted by: patrickj75
the Ava , MO race is August 4th. i'd like to get down there myself. i just need to find a ride!
Patrick
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Patrick.
I'm looking for someone to travel with, so if you wanna come down and meet in Wisconsin, we can drive together..
Let me know... Jay
Posted by: patrickj75
thanks for the info Jay! i'm hoping i can get a few days off of work then to go. i'll keep in touch with you about it.
Patrick
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Sounds good! We have a couple months to think about it and get it all setup...
Here is my Web 943/921 Cam that i picked up tonite. Looks like a pretty slick piece of billet!!!!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
ASV sent me some goodies through my sponsorship..
I got a bunch of apparel and mixed in there somewhere are my C5 billet pro model clutch lever and brake levers..
Posted by: patrickj75
dang! i need to get me some ASV swag! i'm liking my levers so far. that cam looks pretty cool too.
Patrick
Posted by: Chino886
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Sounds good! We have a couple months to think about it and get it all setup...
Here is my Web 943/921 Cam that i picked up tonite. Looks like a pretty slick piece of billet!!!!
Oh yeah, we got to get this set up, Patrick Jay and Dave going to a race together!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Hell yea Dave..
I would really like to meet up for a race down close to you or somewhere in the middle.
If Patrick wants to meet up to go to a race, i'm totally game for that...
~jay
Posted by: patrickj75
i'm pretty sure i'll be able to do it. just need to figure out how much time to take off of work. i've never been to a national so i really need to make it happen.
Patrick
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Dont worry , we'll make it happen.
Chad,
DHL didn't get here in time today to pick up the motor, so they are coming first thing in the morning.
I'll have you a tracking number in the morning for you to keep up on when you should be expecting it.. Thanks bud, Jay
Posted by: Chino886
Puttin' it on my calendar!
Now I just have to learn how to TT race...........
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
You'll figure it out soon enough!!
Posted by: Chino886
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
You'll wreck soon enough!!
LOL! Thanks for the vote of confidence
Posted by: patrickj75
Chino buddy!
if i can do it, you can do it! i hope this works out. it would be cool to meet.
Patrick
Posted by: Chino886
quote:
Originally posted by patrickj75
Chino buddy!
if i can do it, you can do it! i hope this works out. it would be cool to meet.
Patrick
For sure!
Jay and I have been talking about it forever!
Let's git'r done!
Posted by: patrickj75
i've been dreaming of going to a national since i was 15.
Posted by: Chino886
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Originally posted by patrickj75
i've been creaming about going to a national since i was 15.
Too much information there buddy!
LOL, just messing with you!
Maybe we can get my bro danhung11 to go tooo!
Posted by: Chino886
quote:
Originally posted by patrickj75
i've been dreaming of going to a national since i was 15.
Have you been racing that long? Your going to kick my arse!
Posted by: patrickj75
oooppsss! i meant dreaming! LOL
i started racing when i was 15. i raced until i was 22 then took time off. i started again at 30. i'm 31 now.
Posted by: Sheepless
As always, great info Chad.
Now cmon DHL/UPS, I am patiently waiting for the completion of this build
Posted by: chad502ex
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Originally posted by Sheepless
As always, great info Chad.
Now cmon DHL/UPS, I am patiently waiting for the completion of this build
thanks man... its kewl that you are enjoying the build-up here. Both me and xsr_racing are having a ball.... I should be getting the engine today... UPS insurance is being stingy with the claim, but we are getting closer to pay for the repair and Phase2 buildup so no money don't come from Jay's pocket... if UPS denies the claim then all I can do is pay for the repairs... I wish my business account had more more to offer cause i would just pay for Jay's patience...
either way, it will be awesome...
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
As Chad said, we are both having a great time with this build. Not only have I enjoyed watching my motor go from nearly stock to a complete monster, but I've also enjoyed learning more about these 4 stroke motors and the little tweeks done to produce power.
DRG has been a total pleasure to work with and I have NO complaints what so ever.. He has done far above what was requested and I will definatley go back to him whenever motorwork is needed..
Update: Just tracked the motor and it looks like it should show up tommorow mid day..
Keep an eye out for it Chad..
~Jay
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
DHL says that the motor was delivered at 11:33 am this morning to your door.
Let me know how everything looks and post some pics!!!!!!!
Now the blood is rushing since i know within a few days I'll have a complete monster!!!!
~Jay
Posted by: kfx008
i missed it what happend to the motor?
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by kfx008
i missed it what happend to the motor?
UPS F'd it up on return delivery... I'm fighting an insurance claim, but of coarse, UPS with all their money is being resistive to admit that the package was in their possession and it was damaged in their hands.... To me, it shouldn't matter if i handed the UPS driver an egg to ship, it should arrive not cracked especially if I insure the egg for $5000,,,, anyway,, not a big deal... i'll repair and move on to PHASE 2...
now that I have the engine and that i've spoken to JE Pistons tonight, looks like I'll have some time to get replacement parts shipped and get it ready so that when the piston does arrive it'll be ready to assemble..
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
So have you had time to look over the motor and see if you can spot anything else??
Im sure this will be an easy fix..
I can't wait to get that piston and cam in!!
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
So have you had time to look over the motor and see if you can spot anything else??
Im sure this will be an easy fix..
I can't wait to get that piston and cam in!!
~Jay
I just removed it from the shipping container and positioned the engine atop my bench getting ready for action.... Hey, how about upgrading your water pump impellor since we need to replace the side cover and change out your water pump to the new cover anyway?
they are about $60 plus shipping...
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
I pm'd you Chad..
If its worth doing it i would say yes..
Thanks, JAY
Posted by: czrider263
CHAD FINISH UPDATING YOUR WEBSITE lol
breeeeeeezzzzzzwooooooood tom!
o and chad the head got sent to me? so i put it in the mail yestarday headed down to you!
Posted by: chad502ex
yea, i'br got thee engines on the bech waiting for pistons and another comin early next week.... COM'on SANTA!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Chad,
Your pm box is Full!!
This is the message i tryed to send you..
Chad,
Over the weekend and this morning I've been trying to order that impeller and for some damn reason with all of the anti virus and pop up blockers it wont let me add that item to my cart and purchase it. I really don't know why the hell this is happening, but if you would do me a favor and order it, i can paypal you before you buy it so you have the money in your hands. Let me know if you'll do that for me. Thanks bud, JAY
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Chad,
Your pm box is Full!!
This is the message i tryed to send you..
Chad,
Over the weekend and this morning I've been trying to order that impeller and for some damn reason with all of the anti virus and pop up blockers it wont let me add that item to my cart and purchase it. I really don't know why the hell this is happening, but if you would do me a favor and order it, i can paypal you before you buy it so you have the money in your hands. Let me know if you'll do that for me. Thanks bud, JAY
OK thanks. I have your HONDA replacement parts on order today. I'll contact MODQUAD for the impellor part.
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Sounds good,
Just let me know what i owe you then.. Thanks, Jay
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Chad,
I got your voicemail last nite and tryed to call you back. I left a message.
I just got off the phone with modquad and am having it drop shipped to you, so you should be seeing that within the next couple days.
Let me know if anything else is up when you get a chance.
ALso, have you seen any chucks of aluminum that say DRG on them yet??
~Jason
Posted by: czrider263
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Chad,
ALso, have you seen any chucks of aluminum that say DRG on them yet??
~Jason
LOL I sure hope sooo!!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
How's your motor coming along Alex?
Posted by: czrider263
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
How's your motor coming along Alex?
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Well idk after chad said he can't get the head i sent him?? As soon as he has got his christmas presents from JE, he can really get started on it.
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
what do you mean he can't get your head??
Posted by: czrider263
He said something about that he couldn't signe for it and it was going to be returned to me?
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
hmm.. weird , well good luck with that..
Posted by: chad502ex
all is good
I had to write a letter and leave it in my mailbox for the mail-lady for permission to leave the insured signature package at my doorstep anyway,...
so, as soon as these pistons arrive we can start machining....
Posted by: chad502ex
OK PPL- UPDATE:
JE PISTONS has released my forging which means it should be real soon now for the pistons to arrive..
5 builds waiting on pistons (one behind me not pictured)....
Posted by: chad502ex
XSR; i received the TRX450R MODQUAD Impeller... here's a picture
BTW: I'll be installing the impeller this weekend along with making the side cover repair from dropped shipping...
Posted by: lumi
great stuff chad... i admire ur builds man...
arent u makin ur own piston according to ur site?
nice impeller, hey chad a question a bit off topic but the impeller reminded me.. what do u think about the leaking from the "drain tube" under then water pump? i and alot of other 06 owners are getting minor leaks from this area since we have got the quads out of the crate?i know it can sometimes tell for a bad seal but 3 brand new quads i have seen have this? and the coolant tank reserve almost never budges... also full.. thats how little. can it be designed to let a bit go somehow which wouldnt make sense but u have more knowledge tearing these thigns aprt than me.
thanks alot
-lumi
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by lumi
great stuff chad... i admire ur builds man...
arent u makin ur own piston according to ur site?
nice impeller, hey chad a question a bit off topic but the impeller reminded me.. what do u think about the leaking from the "drain tube" under then water pump? i and alot of other 06 owners are getting minor leaks from this area since we have got the quads out of the crate?i know it can sometimes tell for a bad seal but 3 brand new quads i have seen have this? and the coolant tank reserve almost never budges... also full.. thats how little. can it be designed to let a bit go somehow which wouldnt make sense but u have more knowledge tearing these thigns aprt than me.
thanks alot
-lumi
thanks lumi for the good comments. Yes, I am making a custom race piston.. there are already 6 pre-orders for this piston and five engines are on the bench waiting for them to arrive.. They should be fugg'n incredible... cant wait!
as far as your drain tube,... this is not a concern unless the coolant is flowing pretty hard and the overflow is being siffened to refill the radiator, then there is an issue... more than likely the seal and plug insert is not making perfect seal,.. I would not be removing the side cover unless the flow was excessive... my 0.02.
hope this helps.
Posted by: eganracing
can all engines whether there built up or stock benefit from the impeller that u got for xsr?
Posted by: chad502ex
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Originally posted by eganracing
can all engines whether there built up or stock benefit from the impeller that u got for xsr?
yes, a cooler engine will develop more power--- according to mod quad this impeller is good for more than 5 degrees so i'm told.. it seems like a great product imo.
Posted by: lumi
thanks alot chad for the response ur the man...
-lumi
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Last nite after seeing the impeller, I thought about whether or not i should go ahead and get an aftermarket radiator also? I have an aftermarket one on my YFZ, but didn't go ahead with it one my 450r because i figured I would save some weight that way, but reliablity sits better with me than weight savings.. so what do you guys think??
~Jay
BTW: The impeller looks great Chad!
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Last nite after seeing the impeller, I thought about whether or not i should go ahead and get an aftermarket radiator also? I have an aftermarket one on my YFZ, but didn't go ahead with it one my 450r because i figured I would save some weight that way, but reliablity sits better with me than weight savings.. so what do you guys think??
~Jay
BTW: The impeller looks great Chad!
Yea Jay, I have the aftermarket radiator, it works awesome and cools significantly to up to 30% more cooler...
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Any suggestions on what kind i should get?? I have an Extreme Fabrication one on my YFZ but I have no expierience with anyone else.. thanks, Jay
Posted by: Scro
I've had great results out of my PWR
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by Scro
I've had great results out of my PWR
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hond...068120140QQrdZ1
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
alright I'll check into PWR.. I think Janssen sells them, so i can pick one up under sponsorship..
Chad, The link you gave me sent me to a bunch of DVD's forsale..
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
alright I'll check into PWR.. I think Janssen sells them, so i can pick one up under sponsorship..
Chad, The link you gave me sent me to a bunch of DVD's forsale..
~Jay
LOL, thats funny ****z right dare!! LOL!
The eBay link is a PWR that Jansen is selling... heh
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
the link wont work for me, but I'll call up there and probably order one up..
~Jay
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Alright, well I just talked to Janssen and they are bringin me one down to my house here tonite.. I'll have pics up soon..
thanks, jay
Posted by: chad502ex
clearly a better advantage with this billet water pump impeller from MODQUAD.com
as illustrated, the MODQUAD billet water pump impeller appears to have the same dimensions with the curve blades, height of the blades with the advantage being that the inner scoop of the blades are better at 'scooping' as compared to stock where the water can backwash by being pushed upward on the blades scoop area toward the water pump cover....
I can tell this will be a mod i look forward to doing on my engine...
Posted by: chad502ex
yup, sure enough,... F'n UPS F'd up the right crankcase cover right below the tranny drain bolt...
required me to replace the cover and rebuild a water pump in the new cover...
here's the damage before repaired...
Posted by: chad502ex
There has been many questions as to why the water pump overflo tube 'weeps'
Here's the answer,.. a little drip here and there is ok, since the seal that is pressed into this area is designed to have an area where excessive pressure vents... If there is a steady of flow venting, then chances are the seal needs to be pressed out and replaced..
See the weep hole?
Posted by: lumi
wow CHAD u answered my questions and more.... i love these engine pics man... always teach me so much.... now i got a visual to go with ur answer to my question about the weeping....
you the man and great looking motor...
-lumi
Posted by: chad502ex
engine repaired from UPS damaging during shipping...
READY for start of PHASE 2 when the pistons get here hopefully this week...
wahooo.
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by lumi
wow CHAD u answered my questions and more.... i love these engine pics man... always teach me so much.... now i got a visual to go with ur answer to my question about the weeping....
you the man and great looking motor...
-lumi
I knew you would appreciate my latest posting to answer your question you had...
Posted by: patrickj75
Chad,
whats all involved in putting in a new impellar?
Patrick
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by patrickj75
Chad,
whats all involved in putting in a new impellar?
Patrick
pop the water pump cover, loosen the impeller, and install new one and tighten, replace water pump cover.
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Looks great Chad. I can totally see where that impeller will help. I can't wait to see more updated pics.
~Jay
Posted by: czrider263
LOOKING GOOOOOOOOD
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by czrider263
LOOKING GOOOOOOOOD
we should get ready to fill your HONDA order...
Posted by: czrider263
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
we should get ready to fill your HONDA order...
Soon cuz the money should roll in soooon. can't wait to order that custom crank balanced to your piston!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Come on Chad.. Expose those pistons...
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Come on Chad.. Expose those pistons...
~Jay
you asked for it, you got it.... : i'll post additional pictures later
True 15:1 two ringer
NEW Forged Side Relief (FSR) second generation forging
lateral gas ported
Tuff Skirt -million mile coated (unlike other spray side skirt coating)
internal and external bracing
brace windowing
3D undercrowning in every cavity to reduce weight
bridged dual force pin oilers
accumulator grooves
anti-detonation grooves
tuliped extra deep valve pockets
higher compression height for tighter squish
laser etched
Posted by: chad502ex
another..
Posted by: chad502ex
last..
Posted by: oldskoolex400
wow, thats making me drool, looks good
Posted by: ghott
Whats the weight on that sucker Chadwick?
Can she be run with any cam, any valves?
Whats the expected life?
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by ghott
Whats the weight on that sucker Chadwick?
Can she be run with any cam, any valves?
Whats the expected life?
272 grams
any cam- yes
the piston pictured is for Hi-Flo Ferrea SS intake ($30/ea) and stock exhaust. IMO Ferrea valves are the best...
life expectancy is extremely long since the piston is designed around the stock rings, Tuff Skirt that doesn't wear, and internally/externally braced for added durability.
Posted by: ghott
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
272 grams
any cam- yes
the piston pictured is for Hi-Flo Ferrea SS intake ($30/ea) and stock exhaust. IMO Ferrea valves are the best...
life expectancy is extremely long since the piston is designed around the stock rings
That weight with the wrist pin?
Even cams over .415 lift will work without having to cut it?
I'm using Ferrea Super Flow intakes and Stock exhaust valves
No nitrided for you huh? Will you elaborate on the reasoning
Posted by: Scro
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
272 grams
any cam- yes
the piston pictured is for Hi-Flo Ferrea SS intake ($30/ea) and stock exhaust. IMO Ferrea valves are the best...
life expectancy is extremely long since the piston is designed around the stock rings, Tuff Skirt that doesn't wear, and internally/externally braced for added durability.
How does that weight compare to other pistons such as Wiseco and JE?
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by ghott
That weight with the wrist pin?
Even cams over .415 lift will work without having to cut it?
I'm using Ferrea Super Flow intakes and Stock exhaust valves
No nitrided for you huh? Will you elaborate on the reasoning
The cutouts around were cut another 0.015" deeper than what is required to fit a 208. I'll verifiy tonight or this weekend by a clay-check.
HONDA rings are the best; plus they are readily available by anyone by picking up the phone and calling service honda!
I will weigh as an assembly with pin and ring pack as soon as I can get it done... The weight of the piston is the finished weight from the spec sheet of the piston.
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
OMFG!!!! Chad that looks like something out of a space ship!!! LOL.. Looks completely sick!
I can't wait to see how it works on my motor! I'm hoping its going to work well with my balanced crank.. you said it would be close to the baldwin right?
Later, Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by Scro
How does that weight compare to other pistons such as Wiseco and JE?
my 15:1 piston weights ~10g more than JE's 13:1 Race piston with more bracing, structure, and more compression dome/height.. I'd say that's incredible with added durability....
I have all the weight numbers somone posted on all the other pistons as an assembly weight on another forum. I'll have to dig up for comparison.... I just need to locate the text at home to properly answer.
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
OMFG!!!! Chad that looks like something out of a space ship!!! LOL.. Looks completely sick!
I can't wait to see how it works on my motor! I'm hoping its going to work well with my balanced crank.. you said it would be close to the baldwin right?
Later, Jay
that's what i said... close enough in weight not to worry about re-balancing... :
Posted by: ghott
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
The cutouts around were cut another 0.015" deeper than what is required to fit a 208. I'll verifiy tonight or this weekend by a clay-check.
HONDA rings are the best; plus they are readily available by anyone by picking up the phone and calling service honda!
I will weigh as an assembly with pin and ring pack as soon as I can get it done... The weight of the piston is the finished weight from the spec sheet of the piston.
Everything sounds great Chad. And thanks for answering all my questions....just a couple more for ya though.
A while back...you stated that you wouldn't recommend these pistons to anyone but a full on racer.....is this still the case? If so, why should I choose the Baldwin 14:1 over your new piston?
What would a 94mm DRG piston cost a fellow?
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Perfect Chad!! You out did yourself here with this piston. So when are we gonna get her dropped in and machined..? I'm geekin' out at work here and had to shop one of the guys in the office. His words exactly.. " wtf is that" LOL...
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by ghott
[B]Everything sounds great Chad. And thanks for answering all my questions....just a couple more for ya though.
A while back...you stated that you wouldn't recommend these pistons to anyone but a full on racer.....is this still the case?
To be honest, this piston, due to the valve tulips, was designed for Ferrea SS Hi-Flow intake valves and Stock Exhaust valves; however, if the cam lift isn't 'large' then no need to worries about the tulips tagging any type of valve. In other words, most 'drop'in cam profiles valve lift can have about 0.100" of P-V, so if that's the case the tulip wont come close at all...
quote:
If so, why should I choose the Baldwin 14:1 over your new piston?
just look over at my piston specs and compare against the specs of the Baldwin... there should be no question here....
quote:
What would a 94mm DRG piston cost a fellow?
out of respect for ATVRIDERS site sponcors, if your interested, I would suggest contacting me off-line. I'm not a site sponcor here and I don't want to over-step my aggreement with Harlen.
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Perfect Chad!! You out did yourself here with this piston. So when are we gonna get her dropped in and machined..? I'm geekin' out at work here and had to shop one of the guys in the office. His words exactly.. " wtf is that" LOL...
~Jay
Thanks Jay, A lot of precise engineering went into this design. Even JE Pistons are extremely pleased that they were able to deliver. It took some time, but now JE has it all programmed for manufacturing... Although, this piston is highly engineered, all it requires is one set of Ferrea intake valves at ~$35/each... Perfect match and the best of both components imo...
this weekend I want to have it installed to check for 'remaining' clearances
Posted by: Elduner
Chad,
ElDuner here...
How you think it will hold up to the Nitrous? is it forged?
also what is the cost of one of these? Curious to drop it in and run it on the bottle...
Im serious... Let me have some details....
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Sounds great Chad. I already have the Wet flow Ferrea valves so I am set right?
I can't wait to see it installed.. its gonna look bad ***!!
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Sounds great Chad. I already have the Wet flow Ferrea valves so I am set right?
I can't wait to see it installed.. its gonna look bad ***!!
~Jay
Yes you are good and set...
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Perfect.. Did you get my pm about the Baldwin??
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by quad_rider
Chad,
ElDuner here...
How you think it will hold up to the Nitrous? is it forged?
also what is the cost of one of these? Curious to drop it in and run it on the bottle...
Im serious... Let me have some details....
Hey ElDuner.....
the piston is second generation FSR forged... strongest piston available with all it's internal and external bracing.
I'll post the remaining pictures when i get home showing the side and wrist pin bridged dual oilers...
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Perfect.. Did you get my pm about the Baldwin??
~Jay
yup... pm me the shipping addy you sold the baldwin to..
Posted by: Elduner
sent you a PM.....
When are they going to be available to the general drinking duner public like myself.. lol
My top end is off right now...
And I have a full nitrous bottle I aint affraid to use... lol
4scs is in a couple weeks.. lol
Posted by: Kilabanshee
The Piston looks awesome Chad! It was everything I expected from you. Keep up the good work! Now why don't you just finish up those 30 motors you got stored in your garage, put your quad together, and ride the darn thing.
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by quad_rider
sent you a PM.....
When are they going to be available to the general drinking duner public like myself.. lol
My top end is off right now...
And I have a full nitrous bottle I aint affraid to use... lol
4scs is in a couple weeks.. lol
I have one left in the first batch... will be placing bigger order next round. I wanted to confirm the design before I ordered lots of them... I can check with JE to confirm next batch order since they have all the programming figured out...
Posted by: Elduner
Cool... as long as it dont take as long as it takes to get some of the other super secret power ranger mighty morphin pistons .....
My top end is going to be apart for a couple more weeks. lol
then its off to 4scs...
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by Kilabanshee
The Piston looks awesome Chad! It was everything I expected from you. Keep up the good work! Now why don't you just finish up those 30 motors you got stored in your garage, put your quad together, and ride the darn thing.
Yea, that's the plan Brent; right after I position my new flow bench.. :
Posted by: czrider263
Thanks for leaving me in the dark chad about the piston pictures!!!!!!!1
I thought i would be one of the first to know.
what ever
They still look sweeeeeeet
Posted by: ghott
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
Yea, that's the plan Brent; right after I position my new flow bench.. :
You're just coming into all kinds of new toys Chadwick. 
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by czrider263
Thanks for leaving me in the dark chad about the piston pictures!!!!!!!1
I thought i would be one of the first to know.
what ever
They still look sweeeeeeet
Hey czrider, ya know you are my favorite egg.... hehe.
Give me a break, I just got them today.. I want to upload some more pics in a few minutes... check em out!
Posted by: czrider263
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
Hey czrider, ya know you are my favorite egg.... hehe.
Give me a break, I just got them today.. I want to upload some more pics in a few minutes... check em out!
Its all good
But i can't say that about rossier my dad sent him a email and it seems he staill hates us for selling the 06 rossier for the dasa. we were going to give him some business but i think that he just lost it.........
so it looks like a DASA pipe is going onto the 05.
And once again i can't wait to see this piston in action
Now that you have it you can start my 05 build. Because i think you have all the money you need for a while
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by czrider263
Its all good
But i can't say that about rossier my dad sent him a email and it seems he staill hates us for selling the 06 rossier for the dasa. we were going to give him some business but i think that he just lost it.........
so it looks like a DASA pipe is going onto the 05.
And once again i can't wait to see this piston in action
Now that you have it you can start my 05 build. Because i think you have all the money you need for a while
yup, it begins....
Posted by: czrider263
Hey Chad,
Congratulations on the pistons ... they look great!
GK
Posted by: eganracing
how do u think these engines will hold up to that high of compression?
i mean i know on my 440 stretching head studs was an issue so r we gonna see that as an issue on these 450's?
your piston sounds like u put alot of thinking in to the develpoment of it but im just curious if these engines are gonna be able to handle it.
and what kind of numbers r we expecting?
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by czrider263
Hey Chad,
Congratulations on the pistons ... they look great!
GK
thanks. Be sure to check these out Dad!
can you see the internal and external bracing in mine compared to the JE shelf piston?
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Wow there is really a huge difference. That really shows the massive bracing and gusseting to the DRG piston.
BTW: I thought I was your number 1 egg??? LOL
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
here's an explaination in gentler terms, for a few of the performance features
accumulator groove- helps reduce ring flutter due to trapped gasses between the rings
lateral gas ports are passages that permit pressure to get behind the ring and push it out toward the cylinder wall for tighter ring pressure
anti-detonation groove help reduce side piston to cylinder wall contact causing hot spots and false ignition..
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Wow there is really a huge difference. That really shows the massive bracing and gusseting to the DRG piston.
BTW: I thought I was your number 1 egg??? LOL
~Jay
check out the milling done ... this is what took JE soo much time programming cnc.
Posted by: chad502ex
here all the wrist pin lubrication needed for the "pro" pin.
the circled holes are the forced passages to each hole in the wrist pin....
Posted by: chad502ex
ahh sweatness.. this was in mine.. i'll post another installed
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
I likey ALOT!!!
Thanks for the explanations! Now I can kind of realize why they took so long with machining them.. I do have to say they look great though and I'm very excited to be running one.
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
I likey ALOT!!!
Thanks for the explanations! Now I can kind of realize why they took so long with machining them.. I do have to say they look great though and I'm very excited to be running one.
~Jay
Your welcome. I'm glad you like it.
JE called me back tonight to ask me what were my thoughts. I said i was happy with this batch. They will only get better too as production continues I'm told.... that's good. JE even mentioned that the new FSR forging is being ran by Factory HONDA race teams- kewl!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Hey thats pretty neat! So you think these first ones are gonna be good though.. I mean reliable??
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Hey thats pretty neat! So you think these first ones are gonna be good though.. I mean reliable??
should be reliable as far as I can see...
I think the improving process related to rolling edges and channeling not the strength...
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Ok i see... well I'm sure it will be just as safe to run as the Baldwin. Plus I'll be making some extra ponies i hope...
can't wait to see it in my cylinder!!!
~Jay
Posted by: lumi
congrats chad.... this piston seems amazing. very high tech with great features.
-lumi
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by lumi
congrats chad.... this piston seems amazing. very high tech with great features.
-lumi
thank you for your good words.
Posted by: Chino886
Keep raising the bar Chad!
Nice work!
Jay, no more mods, I can't keep up you as it is!
Don't make me do the CRG (Chino-RG).......LOL!
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by Chino886
Keep raising the bar Chad!
Nice work!
Jay, no more mods, I can't keep up you as it is!
Don't make me do the CRG (Chino-RG).......LOL!
Thanks Chino.
.... you get Jays old cam delivered today?
Posted by: Chino886
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
Thanks Chino.
.... you get Jays old cam delivered today?
Hope so, gonna tear into it tomorrow!
Nice looking Piston! When is the 06 model going to be available? Available in + valve sizes?
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by Chino886
Hope so, gonna tear into it tomorrow!
Nice looking Piston! When is the 06 model going to be available? Available in + valve sizes?
I'm already considering expanding the offering for 06/07 years, another 04/05 piston with OEM valves, and another with +1mm ex. for those shooting for top end high hp numbers.... we'll see though.. one step at a time, then cam and a pipe after the dyno.. but honest, my next step is gonna be time on the flow bench..
Posted by: MR.BIG
Nice piston chad! I am going to be calling you in a few weeks so I can drop my motor off.
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by MR.BIG
Nice piston chad! I am going to be calling you in a few weeks so I can drop my motor off.
Thanks!
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
quote:
Originally posted by Chino886
Keep raising the bar Chad!
Nice work!
Jay, no more mods, I can't keep up you as it is!
Don't make me do the CRG (Chino-RG).......LOL!
I'm going to be taking a break on the 450r seeing as I can't possibly think of anything else to do to it, but as you know the YFZ is torn down and going thru a whole build as we speak.
Oh and btw, since my motor isn't back, I'll be installing all of my TT stuff on the new 06 kicker we got so i can race next sunday. I'll post some picks once we swap it all out..
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
WOW, I JUST CLAYED IN his new piston on an HRC on mike nash's with plenty plenty P-V clearance....
OH my....
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
keep us posted Chad.. Anxious to see what mine checks out at.. ~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
keep us posted Chad.. Anxious to see what mine checks out at.. ~Jay
kewl, ...
looks like any cam availble will fit this piston. stock valves all the way around no problem either with over .120" P-V clearance. I also clayed in a head using a 208/921 +6* ex dur. and 0.040" decked head with 0.80" clearance.
Jay for your build, no P-V worries ever...
i'll tear down the head and cylinder to machine soon. waiting to fill a basket of parts for my machinist before i drive to him...
Posted by: chad502ex
here's some P-V clearance proof....
Posted by: czrider263
SWEEEEETTTTT
finish his build and don't forget about me lol
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
quote:
Originally posted by chad502ex
kewl, ...
looks like any cam availble will fit this piston. stock valves all the way around no problem either with over .120" P-V clearance. I also clayed in a head using a 208/921 +6* ex dur. and 0.040" decked head with 0.80" clearance.
Jay for your build, no P-V worries ever...
i'll tear down the head and cylinder to machine soon. waiting to fill a basket of parts for my machinist before i drive to him...
Perfect!! I'm looking forward to seeing more. For now I'm putting all my TT stuff on our 06 and will be running a completely stock machine at the races next weekend. Im sure I'll be floored at the difference from the stock 06 to my motor.. can't wait!
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Perfect!! I'm looking forward to seeing more. For now I'm putting all my TT stuff on our 06 and will be running a completely stock machine at the races next weekend. Im sure I'll be floored at the difference from the stock 06 to my motor.. can't wait!
~Jay
Sorry Jay the pistons took soo long to manufacture.....
here's my thoughts, rather long winder about my design//
pull up a chair for this rambling... hehe
but before we start I wanted to you, czrider263, and mike nash an update/plan to the progress of your builds:
mike nash's ride is complete, just need to add fluid, chain, shifter lever and start!
tommorow night is xsr_racing28c top end teardown to place his head/jug into the "machining parts basket".
Also tommorrow night I should have czrider263 FCR carb disassembled to include in the machining basket, plus- his honda order should arrive to throw (not literally) his new jug and cylinder for machining too! my DSAR head will also be included in the basket, along with TURBO-530R's 450R head..
the machining for all of these will target 16:1 with plenty of P-V clearances... :
now,... back to your programming..... hehe
Having the piston 3d modeled by undercrowning lightens it up, keeping it close in weight to other generic 'shelf' pistons in weight and still yeilding the benefits of high compression. The 3d undercrowning in every internal and external cavity keeps consistent thicknesses throughout the piston dome forging, even with the deepest cutouts on the market. The tuliped valves puts back some mass loss for compression.
sure, all the piston options in this design costs more to manufacture, but IMO, these options are all worth the money in performance gains when it comes to the heartbeat of your engine investment... I'm not trying to market the piston here, I will let the piston do that for itself, .
So, let's talk about the piston options selected and my reasoning behind the options:
Tulip valve reliefs... as mentioned above, to replace the mass removed for deeper valve reliefs and raise compression... due to the depth of the pockets, high overlap cams make it extremely difficult to fit into shelf pistons without flycutting the pockets deeper... not this piston... the only machining you need is if you wish more compression.
Highest obtainable squish by lengthing piston compression height. Much research has occured to determined the best obtainable squish for maximum velocity to be ~0.035". I'm not gonna say what it is but its as tight as I could get without becoming unsafe when rocking... the squish is tighter than 'shelf' pistons....
Which leads me to the side skirt tuff coating... When the piston rocks, I wanted a "Tuff" skirt coating minimizing skirt wear and a frictional losses. Because of the tighter squish, I didn't want the 'moly' type "SPRAYED coating to wear off, causing more friction, causing more skirt wear, causing more rock; so, million mile tuff skirt was applied instead of the sprayed skirt coatings...
Speaking of piston rock, when the piston rocks, the top corner edge above the first ring landing groove comes in contact with the cylinder wall. This contact causes 'hot spoting' to occur. Hot spoting can cause pre-ignition to occur. My design minimizes the hot spotting by reducing the pistons contact surface area cyclinder wall contact by grooving above the first ring landing. This option is called anti-detonation grooving. Most shelf pistons do not offer this option. In fact, piston rock occurs on each stroke, so if the piston must have proper lubrication in the wrist pin area to prevent the wrist pin from binding. I can't tell you how many times I've removed a generic 'shelf' piston that had the wrist pin bind from improper fit and lack of lubrication during its run cycle. This piston has two bridged force pin lubrication and each piston was Pro pin 'loose fitted' by JE for proper lubrication. Generic shelf pistons are not 'loose fitted' after manufactured before its boxed up.
Speaking of lubrication and referring to the pictures posted earlier in this thread, you should be able to locate the undercrown forged windows for cross cavity lubrication... a must when addition forge gusseting for strength is incorporated....
On the ring landings, each was micro-finished and gas ported (I forgot to mention that the ring landings were micro-finished when I posted specs) for perfect ring fit.... Micro-finishing ring landing make a perfect ring seat. Many shelf pistons don't offer this feature. I choose to use OEM rings, since they are superior ring packs and are readily available through service honda when the time comes for ring changes.. I was considering vertical gas ports, alternating with lateral gas porting and focus vertical porting in squish zones, but JE piston computer modeling suggested that although vertical gas ports are superior in ring cylinder ring sealing, they are not great for longevity builds where carbon deposits eventuallt clog them and/or pull oil up into the compression zone.. oil on top of the piston is bad and causes detonation to occur... So, lateral porting only- still a superior option where shelf pistons this option is not offered...
Accumulator grooves are pretty common, even on shelf pistons, as these grooves reduce ring flutter from the trapped gasses..
hopefully this wasn't too long winded, and everyone got to the end without falling to sleep... LOL.
this is a picture of mike nash's new Pappy' power coated frame with his PHASE 2 DRG upgrade... mike's engine was upgraded to Ferrea SS Hi-Flo intakes, 4 angle valve job, new clutch, my new 15:1 piston, and C&D Dynatek ignition... mike's last setup was 13:1.
Posted by: chad502ex
kinda like this shot,...
valve intake angle intake set to 11*
exhaust valve angle 10*
hav'ta know this we do....
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
IMO that was a very functional post and gave very good reasoning to each mod done to the piston. Thanks for that Chad.
I see Mike Nash's quad is complete, so does this mean we're going to be seeing a dyno graph...?
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
IMO that was a very functional post and gave very good reasoning to each mod done to the piston. Thanks for that Chad.
I see Mike Nash's quad is complete, so does this mean we're going to be seeing a dyno graph...?
~Jay
we are going to try to get his dyno'd soon, I do not know how soon, as I want to finish your build, czriders build, and my DSAR build before i start testing... may be a while for mike's dyno test....
This is the reason why i posted his build, just to let you know that timing is as scheduled. No matter what, I needed to 'basket' a bin of parts for my machinist and while i'm expecting more parts to be delivered to me tommor, I may as well get done what I can will i'm waiting for shipment.. Pictured of your PHASE 2 will take place tommorow.. thanks for your patience...
Posted by: czrider263
GREAT WRITE UP CHAD!!!!
yeah i can't wait to see what hp this piston makes..im sure it will be awsome.
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by czrider263
GREAT WRITE UP CHAD!!!!
yeah i can't wait to see what hp this piston makes..im sure it will be awsome.
I hope it does... Then, I can take the prototype design and make more...
Posted by: chad502ex
the DRG TWIN has been started with its new piston,... It sounded excellent- needs to be dyno tested and dialed in though.
parts from xsr_racing28c top end like head is off the phase 1 engine build to be machined for Phase 2,.. I'll drop off the parts to the machinist tommorrow night.
today I calculated that with a 0.020" decked head and my piston this build will have 16.22:1 static compression with about 13.4:1 dynamic compression at about 500 feet above sea level...
Posted by: honda4life72
could u pm me a price on your new piston?
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
Sweet! This thing is gonna rip!!! ~Jay
Posted by: czrider263
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HP THESE NEW GENERATION DRG MOTORS PUT OUT.
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by czrider263
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HP THESE NEW GENERATION DRG MOTORS PUT OUT.
here's a ride report czrider..
mike nash here on atvriders
mike, updated his entire frame over the holidays and had the frame powdercoated plus the piston upgrade... looks awesome...
anyway,.. back to the ride report....
I am very happy with the performance.
after installation, and with no jet change, I took it for a ride on a 180 main. The first thing I noticed was a somewhat flat top 5th gear WOT pull... The bottom to mid seemed extremely sharp and crisp, but the WOT top was just ok- there but not strong...
so, after going back for a brass swap feeling it was lean, I bumped up to a 190 main...
WOW, what a difference.....
The bottom end pull from start to a full 10sec WOT 5th gear pull was awesome!!!!... kept pulling and pulling until I ran out of runway... I was going to fast, riding red-neck-no-helmet sytle, so I let off the throttle after the full 10sec of WOT 5th gear acceleration was complete and my runway end neared . No bobble, no hesitation, just arm pulling acceleration... maybe, it need more fuel, won't know for sure until i dyno, but I'm very pleased with what I know thus far....
I know A/Fr needs to be performed to know how dialed in an engine is, but looking at this picture you can see header color is now a nice golden brown. My experience with header color on the polished DASA represents close 13:1 as measured on Mobile Dynos dyno. Just happy no lean hot blue.
EDIT: forgot to mention reving......... lightning fast as if we didn't know and expect that on 3d design..
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
AHHHHHHH!! I like what i hear! Sounds like when jetted perfect as all of ours will be with some dyno time, we could have quite the ripper!!
Did you say he noticed a difference between his 13:1 and 15:1 DRG piston? I'm assuming yes, but just wondering what his thoughts were in comparison between the two
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
AHHHHHHH!! I like what i hear! Sounds like when jetted perfect as all of ours will be with some dyno time, we could have quite the ripper!!
Did you say he noticed a difference between his 13:1 and 15:1 DRG piston? I'm assuming yes, but just wondering what his thoughts were in comparison between the two
~Jay
naaa, mike has not rid'n it now with the new piston. He is reading like you.
He want me to dyno it for him, but i won't be able to until i get the other builds complete.. he may have to wait, but he said he is willing.
the ride report is mine...
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
OH.. You had me all confused, but now i get it. haha..
Well sounds like its a success!!
~Jay
Posted by: czrider263
Nice that that the pistons seems to pull real hard.....have to get it on a dyno to see the full story and im sure it will rock.
Chad what did i tell you about riding without a helemt lol
Posted by: chad502ex
quote:
Originally posted by czrider263
Nice that that the pistons seems to pull real hard.....have to get it on a dyno to see the full story and im sure it will rock.
Chad what did i tell you about riding without a helemt lol
ahh, but a dyno doesn't tell the full story...
it's just a tool,.... mainly for A/F testing......the tq and hp are calculated from rpm and drum weight... still a calculation....
but the best thing next to blowing the bars off your buddy..
Posted by: dober250R
PM me a price on 1 of these new bad boys.....
Posted by: flattrack450
Everyone reading this forum needs to check the link below...
Update... pics link added 2/14 to link below.
http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthr...threadid=282255
Posted by: eganracing
so did u ever get your motor back?
Posted by: Chino886
I talked to Jay yesterday, his motor is "home"!
I will not steal his thunder, he will be on soon enough. He has 4 projects going on at the same time right now.
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
I did get the motor back to me yesterday, and it will be saturday when I get to putting it back into the frame and setting the machine up. I will try to give you all some updates as soon as I can. As Chino886 (Dave) said, I've got tons of stuff going at once.
Thanks, Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
bump..
Posted by: xsr_racing28c
The motor is installed, and bolted in. I am waiting on the new radiator hoses, and after I get them, I'll finish up bolting up the suspension, and I'll fire it up.
I'm going on vacation for 4 days, and when I get back I'll post pics of the finished product!!
~Jay
Posted by: chad502ex
can't wait until i hear your reaction
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