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Never have a swinger bolt SEIZE again
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Posted by: 86 Quad R
If you own a quad and frequent the creeks, mud holes or other wet conditions long enough you will eventually be faced with the problem of having a swinger bolt seize on ya.
as many of you know it can be a big problem to remove and in extreme cases it has to be cut out with a sawz-all or hack saw.
with a tip from a ole fellow R rider i followed thru and came up with a means to prevent this using the stock hollow swinger bolt.
heres how it works....
first you have the 2 holes drilled in the swinger in the locations approx. where bearings ride on the "hing pin" and do the same for the hing pin itself. if you have the open type swinger where the swinger bolt goes through the engine also. you should drill holes in this location aswell. unless you have a drill press and the right bits to do this you'll have to have this done because the metal is very hard and regular drill bits will not work.
after the holes are drilled you'll need to thread one end of the swinger bolt for a greese zirk and plug the other end. either by tapping threads for a short bolt/screw or by filling it with JB weld. either way is fine.
once this is done you now assemble things as normal and your ready to fill it with greese. each and every time you ride in extreme wet conditions its a good idea to pump a few shots of greese in there. this expells any water that may have entered while riding.
heres a couple pics
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Posted by: Pappy
If your going to do this, also add a few holes where the pivot bolt slides through the engine, they will sieze there also.
This is a good mod, however it doesnt keep the dust collars from siezing to the pivot bolt sleeves, you will still need to pull the bolt for proper servicing, but not as often!
Posted by: x.system
Heres my cure for that problem
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Posted by: Dannys440
That is genus,wouldnt be half as hard as disassembly and if you have a bearing carrier with an external zerk you just make rounds every time you do one you do the other.
Posted by: Kyle_TQRA
Man, you guys go to alot of work to keep bolts from seizing! Just go down to your local auto parts store and buy a can of anti seize compound. I use it liberaly on my bolts, especially the swingarm pivot bolt and it always slides out like butter!!
Posted by: Pappy
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle_TQRA
Man, you guys go to alot of work to keep bolts from seizing! Just go down to your local auto parts store and buy a can of anti seize compound. I use it liberaly on my bolts, especially the swingarm pivot bolt and it always slides out like butter!!
On the east side of the country, this seems to be a huge issue.
Posted by: noissesboyobyal
ever hear of anti sieze? we use it at work for tractor tralier brakes for this thing and it never siezes
Posted by: CannondaleRider
I run a solid pivot bolt, so this isn't even an option for me.
Even if it was, i'd still stick to pulling it, cleaning it off, and applying lithium grease liberally. Obviously, I don't deal with AS MUCH water. Mainly excess dust "control" water, not creeks. But we've still had them sieze before.
Posted by: Donkey1
anti seize is great stuff
Posted by: wilkin250r
Anti-sieze seems to be a common suggestion. Trust me, it's not enough back east.
The anti-sieze will work well for a short period of time, if you want to disassemble again in three weeks, the anti-sieze will allow your bolt to come out with ease.
But the anti-sieze won't last forever. If you're riding constant water and mud, you need to re-apply. THIS is the benefit of the holes and grease zerk. It allows you to re-apply new grease to the problem areas without actually disassembling.
Posted by: 86 Quad R
quote:
Originally posted by wilkin250r
Anti-sieze seems to be a common suggestion. Trust me, it's not enough back east.
The anti-sieze will work well for a short period of time, if you want to disassemble again in three weeks, the anti-sieze will allow your bolt to come out with ease.
But the anti-sieze won't last forever. If you're riding constant water and mud, you need to re-apply. THIS is the benefit of the holes and grease zerk. It allows you to re-apply new grease to the problem areas without actually disassembling.
yup yup 
Posted by: gbcap
it takes a whole 5 minutes to pull the bolt, clean, grease and re-install. yes that might be a good temp fix, but it isn't the solve all solution. i take mine out ever 3-4 races and spray liberally with wd-40 before every race/ride. seems to work great for me. i am also running a stainless steel solid bolt so this wouldn't work for me either.
Greg
Posted by: Stein2088
quote:
Originally posted by wilkin250r
Anti-sieze seems to be a common suggestion. Trust me, it's not enough back east.
The anti-sieze will work well for a short period of time, if you want to disassemble again in three weeks, the anti-sieze will allow your bolt to come out with ease.
But the anti-sieze won't last forever. If you're riding constant water and mud, you need to re-apply. THIS is the benefit of the holes and grease zerk. It allows you to re-apply new grease to the problem areas without actually disassembling.
How east are we talkin... i live in PA and anti. works great for me... coat that damn thing!!!!
Posted by: Stein2088
But im also sure that the Greese idea works great if u want to do it that way... Nice idea
Posted by: northwest Texas
I don't think the grease is a bad idea but keep in mind if you're greasing it enough to push the grease past the seals, you're also allowing a place for water and dirt to enter. A seals purpose is to keep the grease in and contaminants out. When you push grease past the seals lip you're defeating it's purpose. Just something to keep in mind
Posted by: Kaleigh
if you ride in alot of deep mud and water.. you can also do that zerk mod at the axle point on the swingarm.. so you can greese the heck out of it a keep.. Ive seen someone that had that..
Posted by: Xater
ive never had a problem with the swingarm bolt on my blaster. i just repaced the berrings for the first time and it cam out with a few taps with a hammer.
Posted by: Meat
quote:
Originally posted by Stein2088
How east are we talkin... i live in PA and anti. works great for me... coat that damn thing!!!!
Im another Pennsylvanian that uses anti-seize on EVERYTHING. I'm a maintence-man at a large company and we anti-seize most everything. The stuff is expensive, but damn it works well. My swingarm pivot bolts have had anti-seize on em for along time and I ride ALOT, and the bolts always break loose easily. But then again, I dissasemble the whole quad every winter. Id guess the anti-seize would wear away after a few seasons with no service done to the bolt.
When I saw this thread, i was screamin in my head "just use anti-seize!!"
Posted by: 86 Quad R
the biggest/main reason i prefere the grease zerk method (not saying that anti seize method isnt a good idea) is the fact that that during the warm months my quad see's 2' of water at least 1 day of the weekend, all day long. sometimes 2 days. water will find its way in there and STAYs.
shooting grease in there forces all the water out.
Posted by: outlaw319
I thought I replied to this before but I guess not. The bolt mod is alot better! Just pulling the bolt and greasing/ anti- seizing it will not lube your needle bearings in the swingarm, and they'll eventually get dry and fall apart! By drilling the bolt and sleeves it greases everything this way.
Posted by: hornetgod13
I currently have a new stock bolt installed that I anitsiezed heavily. In 9 months to a years time I intend to replace the swingarm bearings and if the bolt is difficult to remove, I'm going to install a stainless steel bolt or even a greasable bolt.
How about using a grease gun to shoot antisieze in the modified bolt. Than both sides of this antiseaze/modified grease bolt debate are happy.
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