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450r center of gravity fix?
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Posted by: 450rhonda-dude

I put the ITP XCR tires on my 450r and it is still kinda tippy. I have stock a arms, axle, stock suspension...

I was wondering if shaving the seat, like dirtbikers do, would lower the center of gravity because you would be sitting lower. has anyone ever tried that?

-thanks

Posted by: goldrims04

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Originally posted by 450rhonda-dude
I put the ITP XCR tires on my 450r and it is still kinda tippy. I have stock a arms, axle, stock suspension...

I was wondering if shaving the seat, like dirtbikers do, would lower the center of gravity because you would be sitting lower. has anyone ever tried that?

-thanks

i konow it is pretty expensive but extended a-arms would help and so would an extended axle and i just remembered u can also try ajusting ur suspension and the dampners thats what i did my stock suspension handles pretty good i am 6'4 its pretty stable hope this helps

Posted by: 450rhonda-dude

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Originally posted by goldrims04
i konow it is pretty expensive but extended a-arms would help and so would an extended axle and i just remembered u can also try ajusting ur suspension and the dampners thats what i did my stock suspension handles pretty good i am 6'4 its pretty stable hope this helps

Yeah, ive adjusted it and screwed with it a lot. I'll probably just have to bite the bullet and widen it. Thanks for the help though.

Posted by: goldrims04

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Originally posted by 450rhonda-dude
Yeah, ive adjusted it and screwed with it a lot. I'll probably just have to bite the bullet and widen it. Thanks for the help though.

no problem i had my buddy set mine up he used to set up pro riders stuff so i guess i cheated but good luck

Posted by: WhiteZee

get your shocks revalved by gt thunder, it will lower it 2 inchs and will work just as good as aftermarket shocks. you dont need to go any wider, stock suspension is fine for A class riders......

Posted by: XCRACER26

how much does the gt thunder kit cost for them to do, does that include springs and such.

Posted by: MAD450r

I believe I seen it was 625$ thats all new springs valving and a new rear link. Check out there site

http://www.gtthunder.com/

hope that helps

I went with derisi's setup but its a bit more $$$, I hear derisi, gt thunder and c&d racing all do a great job.

Posted by: 450rhonda-dude

sweet, I'll have to look into that some more. Thats a hell of a lot cheaper than to buy a arms, axle, swingarm... and all that stuff I dont even need yet. Thanks a lot!

Posted by: Airik79mx

quote:
Originally posted by WhiteZee
get your shocks revalved by gt thunder, it will lower it 2 inchs and will work just as good as aftermarket shocks. you dont need to go any wider, stock suspension is fine for A class riders......

Work just as good as aftermarket shocks huh???

Posted by: Yurik Norton

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Originally posted by Airik79mx
Work just as good as aftermarket shocks huh???

lol im pretty sure my elkas redone by laz are a bit better then stock

but laz at gt thunder does a great job, great guy, well worth the money to get your shocks done by him

Posted by: Airik79mx

He's talking about stock shock's....There's no way a re-worked stock shock will work like aftermarket long travel shocks..And most of all not for an A class rider.. Maybe one that should be in C..

Posted by: WhiteZee

let me be more clear here.....

the stock shocks setup by laz will work better then the elkas you would buy for $900 that are setup by elka . mine really dont work that great, i wish i would have just waited for the revalve, but i wasnt out yet when i got my front elkas.

im taking my elkas to gt thunder next week to have him revalve them and convert to dual rate.

Posted by: Airik79mx

I will agree with you about the Elka's.. They need someone to set them up because they can't do it..

Posted by: supradean

dont take this the wrong way but you may want to adjust your riding style.
If you position your body and transfer your weight right this machine is far, far from tipsy.
Even in stock form it is agressive. I have nho problem flinging this thing sideways.......just take slots of practice.
GT rear shock treatment is $330...(best money ever spent). New fronts from TCS are $875. (lowers it 2 plus inches and REALLY made a huge difference.) You also get 11.35 inches of travel from the front and 10.5 from the rear ...which is combined over 3 more inches then stock.

Posted by: Jersey450R

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Originally posted by 450rhonda-dude

I was wondering if shaving the seat, like dirtbikers do, would lower the center of gravity because you would be sitting lower. has anyone ever tried that?

-thanks

i beleive there is an aftermarket seat that lowers the center of gravity for the 450R. I forget the company that makes it though. its like 225 bucks though and it makes it harder. "jeepnrocks" has it on his quad i beleive. he posts his quad on central.com. pretty sweet

Posted by: 450rhonda-dude

quote:
Originally posted by supradean
dont take this the wrong way but you may want to adjust your riding style.
If you position your body and transfer your weight right this machine is far, far from tipsy.
Even in stock form it is agressive. I have nho problem flinging this thing sideways.......just take slots of practice.
GT rear shock treatment is $330...(best money ever spent). New fronts from TCS are $875. (lowers it 2 plus inches and REALLY made a huge difference.) You also get 11.35 inches of travel from the front and 10.5 from the rear ...which is combined over 3 more inches then stock.

Trust me, I ride right and my quad is tippy. For a beginner rider its probably fine but I'm no beginner, I'm just broke. lol. I should be one of the many that have really expensive suspended quads, but Im not and I dont. I'm trying to find the cheapest way possible to fix this problem without selling my house. lol. So its not the way I ride. Thanks for the suggestions though. Keep em' coming guys.

Posted by: WhiteZee

stock shocks can perform well into the A class level. my friend is running neck and neck in the mid south winter series with the top 2 guys that have full ars-fx suspension in the 4 stroke A class.

Posted by: quad2xtreme

stock pegs height is too high IMO. I think A/C just came out with some new pegs that lower the height but I don't think heel guards are an option.

/Jon

Posted by: Lonestar_R

the seat you are talking about is a corbin....and they are not cheap....but I am going with a Laz rear revalve and his link...and he is converting my TCS's from my 250R to work on my 450....this quad won't be the same when its all said and done

Posted by: Prey

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Originally posted by WhiteZee
stock shocks can perform well into the A class level. my friend is running neck and neck in the mid south winter series with the top 2 guys that have full ars-fx suspension in the 4 stroke A class.

thats fine, your friend has talent........ a stock set up.. no matter how well built is not as effective as a well built aftermarket such as ars.

i have seen you make 2 kinds of post, either derogatory or swingin on the gt thunder sac........ lay off ............

and make your educated opinion when you actually have several different sets of shocks set up for YOU to judge from

Posted by: Hondacrf15

Just my opinion. If you get a new seat, that will only lower the ride height by what..1/2" at most, and the loss is all from the highest area on the quad.

I know its more money, however if you get good shocks that lower the bike by 2" the lowering is comming from the ride height of the bike that will lower the cener of gravity much moore than 1/2" off the top.

Simple physics in my feable mind.

I totally diagree with you do not need suspension until your an A rider.I know my good suspension saved my over 40 class rear more times than I care to remember on the MX tracks.

Just some ramblings from experience and common sence

Posted by: WhiteZee

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Originally posted by Hondacrf15
Just my opinion. If you get a new seat, that will only lower the ride height by what..1/2" at most, and the loss is all from the highest area on the quad.

I know its more money, however if you get good shocks that lower the bike by 2" the lowering is comming from the ride height of the bike that will lower the cener of gravity much moore than 1/2" off the top.

Simple physics in my feable mind.

I totally diagree with you do not need suspension until your an A rider.I know my good suspension saved my over 40 class rear more times than I care to remember on the MX tracks.

Just some ramblings from experience and common sence

never said you do not need suspension, i said they ARE fine up till A Class.

i got elkas when i was a beginner.... big mistake IMO.

Posted by: WhiteZee

quote:
Originally posted by Prey
thats fine, your friend has talent........ a stock set up.. no matter how well built is not as effective as a well built aftermarket such as ars.

i have seen you make 2 kinds of post, either derogatory or swingin on the gt thunder sac........ lay off ............

and make your educated opinion when you actually have several different sets of shocks set up for YOU to judge from

**** off. its not my fault you have no clue about the electronics posts you make.

nothing to do with swinging on gt thunders nuts, they are a good company.

if you didnt know, laz has that electronic 06 450r stuff on his site, check it out.

Posted by: Prey

quote:
Originally posted by WhiteZee
**** off. its not my fault you have no clue about the electronics posts you make.

nothing to do with swinging on gt thunders nuts, they are a good company.

if you didnt know, laz has that electronic 06 450r stuff on his site, check it out.

arent you the guy who publicly announced the green wire makes no timing difference............

i never said gt thunder or laz werent top notch, what i said was, no stock set up no matter who makes it is going to hang with a well built aftermarket..........

and this was your 2 posts combined into one, swinging on the gt thunder bean bag and derogatory all in one

but keep us up to date with your uneducated opinions……..

Posted by: Prey

quote:
Originally posted by Prey
arent you the guy who publicly announced the green wire makes no timing difference............

by the way, i can grab a quote from you on this one ***hole

oh looky, i can call names too

Posted by: 450rhonda-dude

come on guys no fighting...

you know what they say, fighting on the computer is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, your still retarted.

lol j/p... but really, stop fighting over stupid ****. I think ive made up my mind for sure now... im gunna get some custom axis off my friends 450r!!! hes stripping it down for parts and hes gunna buy the new LTR-450. Kinda dumb if you ask me...........

Anyways, thanks for all the help.

Posted by: Prey

quote:
Originally posted by 450rhonda-dude
come on guys no fighting...

you know what they say, fighting on the computer is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, your still retarted.

lol j/p... but really, stop fighting over stupid ****. I think ive made up my mind for sure now... im gunna get some custom axis off my friends 450r!!! hes stripping it down for parts and hes gunna buy the new LTR-450. Kinda dumb if you ask me...........

Anyways, thanks for all the help.

and thats the way to come up with an excellent ride....... you will see lots of parts coming up for the 04/05 450's thanks to the 06 450 and ltr450, bide your time if you are on a budget... you will get the right parts at a good price....

when you get the things you want.....make sure you have someone well expierenced do your shocks for you...... this will be the most important $$ you spend.

ps....sorry to vent in your thread man

Posted by: Jersey450R

quote:
Originally posted by WhiteZee
never said you do not need suspension, i said they ARE fine up till A Class.

i got elkas when i was a beginner.... big mistake IMO.

i learned to ride my 450 with the stock shocks for a little over a year. i practiced all season and did the last race of the year. i think its good to learn how to ride the quad stock first. then when you get some suspension, its that much better.