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arctic cats new sport quad!
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Posted by: Juggalo

its another knock off of the z-400 but it looks extremely ugly. reminds me of kids quads from the 80's

Posted by: R-Crazy

the motor looks identical to the Z. hmmm..... The plastic looks the same too with the nose jagged and black.

dave

Posted by: R-Crazy

even has a T shaped seat and the same bars.

dave

Posted by: DillonTMNT

"punches the developer of the front end of the plastic in the face"

-Dillon

Posted by: Nausty

yeah and it even looks identical to the kawasaki. sheesh 3 differant manufactures putting there name on the same machine. I hope they all go out of business. Kawasaki's and suzuki's keep falling further and further behind in the dirt bike end of things too and the arctic cats are junk in my opinion and I thought the whole point of kawasaki and suzuki merging was to share r&d so they could keep up and I think its pathetic they have to do it like this.

Posted by: Derno24

Well guys this is the problem. I have to say it is no big deal about quads looking the same or having this and that alike. Who cares, buy what you like and ride that is my moto. I own a z400 and it doesn't bother me a bit that they are the same bikes. It is like going out and seeing 10 or 20 banshee's. At least they are different colors. At least artic cat changed the plastic some, unlike Kawasaki.

Posted by: Foxrage

suzuki makes all artic cats motors so they probly just used most of everything.

Posted by: FullBore52

Is it just me or did something bite its nose off?

Posted by: yellowrider

LOL i cant wait to see the shoot out to these three quads i wonder who is gonna win??

i wonder which one has more power
which one weighs less
which one jumps better
which one is more reliable

lol suz cant do nothing right LOL LOL

copied the raptor and the 400ex now sharing with two other companies LOL LOL

this thing sucks
its uglier than a yamaha badger

or whatever they are called

i odnt think this thing is going to get any sales....

Posted by: Derno24

The winner will be the one who advertises the most...

Posted by: Kadafiy

Yeah Derno, or the one who flies the mags to the most exotic location! So far Suzuki is on top of that one.

Posted by: coryatver

It sort of looks like they just trimmed up there utility atv plastic and stuck it on there.

Posted by: cotttonwoody

I am sure they will change the plastic before the release it. Like cannondale did but they made there plastic uglier.

Posted by: loganB

Nothing is a knock off of a z400 becase a z400 is a knock off of a raptor and a 400ex they should punch the guys who made the z400.:devil

Posted by: Derno24

And the 400 ex is a rip off of other quads and so on and so on. The only true original idea quad manufacturers have had is the cannondale.

Posted by: DEAL

The 400ex isn't a rip off of any other quads, neither is the raptor.
They bolth made their out motors, and frames etc , they didn't rip them off of other manufacturers.
And i mean come on , even polaris can design their own sport quad with ripping off of other manufacturers, yet kawi and suzuki can't?
Suzuki made the first sport quads, and one of the fastest quads ever made, yet now-a-days they rip off other manufacturers designs. Pathetic!

Posted by: 01TRX300EX

Ok, the Suzuki looks like a Raptor,although the more I look at it the less it reminds me of a Raptor, but the frame is different than either the 400EX or Raptor, the motor is different also. Suzuki did exactly what they should have, took the best of the other quads and put them in one. And then some of you 400EX guys knock it off even though some of you are probably jealous because yet another ATV is better than the 400EX. First it was the Raptor, then the Cannondales and now the Z400.

Posted by: Derno24

The frame is the same, come on have you even looked at them next to each other. (Z400 and 400EX) They are nothing alike except for some suspension parts. Shocks and a-arms. These same shocks and arms have been used on quads since the old lt250. So Suzuki ripped that off. The motor is nothing like either the raptor or the 400 ex. The plastic I have looked at both next to each other Raptor and Z400 and there are some similarities, but it is not a rip off. Car manufacturers have been doing this multiple company same car thing for years (Ford and Mercury) (Chevy and GM) and there are many others. So what ride what you got and as long as you are happy that is all that matters...

Posted by: 400exredrider

ishh...errrr....yep i dont like copiers...alltho the LT500 is sweet.....why couldent Suzuki be different and make sumthing of there own......own shape own size own everything....there is nothing i hate more of when a ATV company copies there atvs off of another company.....they even have black stickers on the plastic of he Z400 to make it look even more like a raptor 400ex mix...no flame intended cause i had a suzuki and i loved its power but this errrrrr

Posted by: 400exredrider

ohh and Derno.....umm Murcury is a branch of ford....i know kawi bought suzuki out but they still copied 400ex and raptor....same with Chevy GM...GM is a branch of chevy as is Buick Pontiac Geo Cadillac and so on...no flame intedded again but...

Posted by: Juggalo

if anything honda, yamaha, and every1 copied suzuki! suzuki made the first fourwheeler! now look at all the companies with them. and they also made the first sport quad and the first high performance quad.

Posted by: Rollin20s

jugg is soooo right on that one

Posted by: lil400exman

it may have been the first one but not the best one honda and yamaha makes the best no flaming here but its true and after honda relwased the 400ex all the companies jumped on the band wagon also casue they saw the sales so i say the copied handa casue noww look at the all the spoet jobs now cannondale raptor 250ex z-400 kwawasaki's whatever 400 and arctic cats 400 and hondas new quad comin as i have heard its a supped up magna like bike i heard it was fast and polaris new quad honda paved the market and other manufactures but suzuki made the first quad but not the best when honda realesed the trx200 it killed the lt125 man you know they may copy but they all do it to each other but may i say honda had the first 3-wheller which did pave the way to 4heelers man get with it !

Posted by: Derno24

huh?????

Posted by: R-Crazy

Why do you guys keep b*tchin about how Suzuki copied the raptor and the 400. It is called EVOLUTION. It the quad industry didnt borrow ideas, riding would suck. All quad companies have copied Suzuki then, cuz they came out with the first quad. So dont whine about how Suzuki "copied" other comapnies, cuz thier Z is better than all of them.

dave

Posted by: 12gofast

just be happy thatthe quad market is on the uprise again!!!

peoplecopy stuff everyday...and the point is to take something and make it better.

Kawasaki is not a motorcycle company..they are in industrial equip and motorcycles are just a very minimal part of their business....with their merger with suzuki it was the best for both companies to stay in the motorcycle industry. Suzuki was struggling to stay afloat but build a quality product and Kawi needed more motorcycle R&D

I race a 400ex but am happy to see the new quads.....it creates competition. Now you are not racing another guy on the same quad as you....you get to run with some different colors.

I am sur when they get all the bugs worked out of the Suz/Kaw it will be a good racer, but at the last GNCC there were only a couple of Suzukis and they were being pulled in broken down right along with ALL the cannondales

Posted by: Zero Z400

I don't get it, another makes competition for everyone like everyone "wanted" but now ur just flaming it?ż? Also, 400exredrider, Chevy is a branch of GM, so is GMC, and the other companies u mentioned. lil400exman, what r u on??? I didn't understand anything u said. And the LT125 and trx200 have diferent motors, the Honda had more cc's. I don't know how it compared to Honda's 125 but that would at least be fair.
One last thing, has anyone noticed how many poeple r coming into the Non-Honda forum ever since the Z400 came out, and almost all of their post r just flaming it?

Later

Posted by: Derno24

I agree with you Zero just jumping on the new kid instead of enjoying the ride they have.

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dont mean to get off the subject but that thing looks like crap!

Posted by: Derno24

Yes they do, It looks like something to a bite out of it.

Posted by: Scott

Like I've said on every thread like this, I'm all for new quads. The more sport quads there are on the market, the better all of them will get in the long run.

As for the Zuki/Kawi/Arctic Cat, it's unfortunate that they all appear to be clones of the same quad. That's not what I mean by "new" sport quads. That's just different color options and plastic options on the same machine. Not that more options is a bad thing...

If the Z400 frame IS a copy of the 400ex, SO WHAT??? The geometry of the 400ex frame was a rip off from the 250R. So there's another copy you should include in you list for flaming.

Like someone said before, it's called evolution. You take what works, and you try to make it better. Honda took the R geometry and tried to update it with a 4 stroke engine, poof-ta, the 400EX was born. Zuki copied the geometry, added reverse and liquid cooling to the 4 stroke. Yamaha took similar geometry (so they claim) and then added more CC's, liquid cooling, and reverse. Cannondale used a similar front end and went wild! It just gives us more choices. It would be pretty boring if we all rode red 400EX's with the exact same mods. I wouldn't like it. I like to be a little different.

I think you guys should be happy instead of flaming. If no one else had a sport quad, what reason would Honda have to improve on the 400ex? The 300ex has been around for 10 yrs without an update.

Posted by: loganB

A 400ex frame is not a ripe off of a 250r becase its hondas frame.:devil :blah

Posted by: OutlawEX

looks like jaws got a hold of it,poor quad

Posted by: Scott

A 400ex frame is not a ripe off of a 250r becase its hondas frame

Well it's the same geometry isn't it? The pieces interchange don't they? Sounds like it's a copy to me...

Posted by: Juggalo

you can't rip something off from yourself

Posted by: Matrix250R

i wouldnt get all excitied over this machine....
its made by artic cat you know

Posted by: Derno24

You mean ArcticKawazuki don't you. Just kidding even though they are the same quad you know people are going to buy different ones just for the plastic or the dealer. This is actually a good thing makes the dealers work that much harder to get your business when you can go to any of the 3 dealers and get the same thing.

Posted by: loganB

Hay scott if it is there frame it cant be a rip off.

:blah

Posted by: lildude

how could u cal the 400ex a rip off another bike i mean ya it kinda is shaped like a 250 r plastic wise but who cares couse a 250 r is a honda too it aint like honda took ideas from the banshee or nething

Posted by: Scott

My point was just that the 400ex was not a "new" quad design, it is a copy of a previous quad.

I wonder which one of the three Z400 clones will be the cheapest? My bet is that the worst selling of the three will be the one that the dealers will be willing to drop the price the most on.

Posted by: RideRed04

Wow, this is getting Ridiculous! I am sure that they will change stuff on them (Artic cat made sure to make the suzuki quadmaster 500 suck before they could put the artic cat stickers on it, I am sure the same will apply here too). Who really cares, if you dont like them, dont buy them, and get dusted on all the trails because you are ridding with 1970's engine technology and everyone else has high compression liquid cooled fire-breathers. Have any of you looked at a z400 up close? The frame is nothing like a 400ex. It gets wider faster where the engine goes, I believe it has less rake (I haven't compared side by side, so this is from memory), and many other oddities. I guess the subframe looks the same... maybe they copied that. The clutch is sooooo smooth on the z400, you wouldnt believe it. It requires half the effort of the 400ex. Yup, that is called technology, suzuki made large diameter clutch plates so that they could run softer springs, what a concept. What I am trying to say is that by bashing new ideas, you are making yourself look like an idiot and not helping the sport to go anywhere. ****, I bet honda goes on this site every once and a while, and says "Gee, we have this die-hard group of 400ex riders, and a bunch of 300 and 250ex riders that would buy a 400ex, why introduce our 450ex now? Lets wait a few more years". It is money in thier pockets. If you cant tell, I am getting very tired of honda's crap. I think next time around (its gonna be a while), it will be a cannondale in my garage. Cannondale actually cares about the industry. Honda got knocked off the horse back in the 80's, and they have been totally unwilling to get back on. They put a foot in the stirrup with the 400ex, but then the blew it. Do you know that the 250r had updates every year untill they cancled it? Now we are going into year 5 with nothing other then yellow.

Posted by: Crazie

Just thought I'd let you guys know that I have a z-400 and I've only been riding for a month and a half now. That's total riding time....not just on the z. I've raced it once at a local race and finished second overall....only cause I crashed the first race ....didn't damage anything...thank god. But I finished second on the second moto and only behind another z-400. We were both completely stock! I also raced 5 400ex's this past weekend on the local track. They all had aftermarket parts on them, not to mention when they took off.....I was still in neutral. Two turns into the race, and they might as well have given me the checkered flag. Granted I'm learning how to ride very fast..but they're no reason why I should've smoked those guys unless the Z is, in fact, a better quad. All the guys I raced had years of riding experience. Granted, it's not a perfect quad...but read the reviews in a few magazines if you want proof. Every magazine on the shelf that has tested it so far says it out performs aftermarket 400ex's and even though it hasn't been compared to a raptor head to head...they say it can keep up with the top end of a raptor also. I personally beat a raptor on the track also....a guy with a little more experience than me...but not much...it made for a fair fight. I don't diss any quad...because I like them all....but you guys need to step back...take a look....and enjoy it....Just hop on one if you can find someone to let you. All the guys I've met on 400ex's love the Z. Try it out before you call it a rip off. Other than that...I look forward to racing again and hopefully I'll have better competition, because I know it's not the quad alone that makes you better.