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cannondale speed same as the the cannondal cannibal, HELP please
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Posted by: Marshmello

is the cannondale speed same as the cannondale cannibal
just wonderin cus they look kinda the same

Posted by: duke416ex

No they are not the same, the speed has some more extras on it factory. You can change the mapping on the cannibal though to make it perform like whichever cdale you want.

Posted by: Marshmello

OH and whats the top speed just wonderin

Posted by: duke416ex

I don't know for sure, I guess my cannibal with a moto map will do bout 70 or so. Just a guess, so no flaming, just correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: jacobw

the speed had a gripper seat and tag bars. the maps are pretty much the same the speed has as 11k rev limit while the cannibal has 10k. the top speed on mine with stock gearing is aroung 80 with 20" rear tires. Its all stock no mods.

Posted by: duke416ex

I had never been clocked, and was just guessing, but 80 sounds good to me. Mine has moto mapping, wonder what that top speed is?

Posted by: jacobw

my brother has a z400 and the top end it aroung the 70's and the cannondale will outrun it on the top. So my guess is somewhere close to 80. With the use of this chart that i found using the rev limit and gearing with tires size the top speed shoub be about 78.

http://home.earthlink.net/~gellett/cdale.htm

Posted by: Marshmello

this might sound stupid but what is the mapping

Posted by: jacobw

quote:
Originally posted by Marshmello
this might sound stupid but what is the mapping

mapping is the personality of the engine. You can change the map to suit the terrain. i.e. you can run the moto map will will have more hit in the midrange and top for motocross. Or for xc you can run the blaze map which is cannondales race ready xc machine, map in the bike it it will be smooth power for woods racing. A cannibal or speed map which are kinda a recreational riders map. You can also run combo maps and dirt bike maps(which have to much hit for a quad). The map determines how stong and when the power will come on in which rpm ranges. With fuel injection you can pick and choose what you want to run and play around with all the maps.

Posted by: jesshamner

Well, with fuel injection, the ECU tells the injectors how much fuel to spray and controls the spark and detination. The map itself is a programmed fuel/ignition database that the ECU reads. You can change these maps with the right software. You can also manipulate or change the settings of a particular map with another version of the software. By doing so, you can change the characteristics of the power produced by the engine. Changing a map on a cannondale or atk is basically the same as putting on custom cdi box and rejetting a japanese bike. Make sense? Check out www.cannondaleriders.com for more info.

Cannibal mapping is a little tame and was designed for good all around power and traction.

Speed mapping is the same as the Cannibal but has 1000 more rpms. This map also gives the highest top speed of all the Cannondales.

Blaze mapping is mellow on the bottom end and has powerful mid and topend. The reason for the mellow bottom end was b/c the Blaze was designed for woods racing. Its not fun bouncing off trees b/c you can't control the throttle.

Moto mapping has quick acceleration and good mid and topend. The mid and topend are basically the same as the Blaze mapping. This map was designed for mx racing...obviously.

Glamis mapping is exactly the same as Speed mapping

Posted by: jesshamner

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Originally posted by jacobw
You can also run combo maps and dirt bike maps(which have to much hit for a quad).

I disagree. x440s map is so much fun. I haven't tried it in the woods yet but at Glamis and on the mx track, its a blast!

Posted by: Marshmello

OOOOOOO I get it now
Thanks

Posted by: jacobw

Thanks jess I didnt explain it as well as you you are the man

We may have another daler to add to the cummunity. I believe the x440s map would def be a handful for a begginer rider. They will kick you in the arse.

Posted by: jesshamner

Hey thanks for the support but be careful. Your nose is getting too close to my *****. I would like to add that I may not be getting the full effect of the bike map since I am still running the toaster. Once I get the hmf on...I'll try it out again. I will have to say that changing to the x440s map from the blaze/speed map caused a significant result in my last race. I went to play with the mx'ers for a day. In moto 1 I used the blaze/speed map b/c it was a little muddy. I simply got left behind by the guys that knew what they were doing. I finished 9th. In moto 2, I was running the x440s map. I was 3rd off the line and stayed there until the last jump when my key was switched to the off position (I have no idea how this happened). I rolled across the line for 6th in moto2. I had 3rd easily. I was at least 2 or 3 seconds ahead of 4th, 5th and 6th places. Better luck next time maybe.

Posted by: jacobw

quote:
Originally posted by jesshamner
Your nose is getting too close to my *****. .

Hey that is not right I was just saying you did a better job explaining that i did.

Posted by: jesshamner

I forgot to add the "j/k" part. LOL. I said thanks.....I think.

Posted by: jacobw

I figured you was j/k. I was trying to figure out how to explain it and came up short. lol

Posted by: CannondaleRider

FX400 - First Cannondale ATV - 2001 - Has the MC500 ECU which is identified by a single connector on the ECU and a big red stop button on the handlebars. This ECU is tuned using the mil tool, which enables the owner to change the amount of fuel at low, mid, and high RPM's. This ECU does not let you change maps, however, but it is said to be quicker than a Cannibal. These quads came with either a charcoal grey or a red plastic that had black removable "mud flaps" on the rear of the front fenders. These engines were the same 432cc but had a true 12.5:1 compression ratio. Also had a round stock exhaust, thin ITP wheels, Holeshot tires, and Ohlins shocks(piggyback rear). Many of these FX400 machines were converted into 02 Cannibals.

Cannibal - 2002 and 2003 - This quad has the MC1000 computer, characterized by 2 connections on the ECU and a sliding left/right stop mechanism. This ECU is tuned with the Diagnostic and Maintenance kit (commonly called D&M Kit). The Cannibal map is the tamest of all of the quad maps and has a rev limit of 10,800RPM. For 2002 and 2003 the compression ratio was lowered on all Cannondale engines to around 11.8:1 . Cannibals came in different plastic colors including red, and silver with blue trim. Cannibals came with different combos of shocks. Fronts could be either Ohlins (yellow springs with a silver background) or Arvins (yellow springs with a black background). Rear shock could be either an Ohlins (gold piggyback reservoir) or a Fox (black remote reservoir). All Cannibals had the thin ITP rims but some had Holeshot tires while others had Trail Wolf tires. The exhaust on the Cannibal is the infamous square "toaster".

Cannibal LE - 2003 model Limited Edition Cannibal came with USA graphics on silver plastic, Tag bars, Holeshot tires, and Ohlins shocks(piggyback rear). Everything else was the same as a normal Cannibal.

Speed - 2002 and 2003 - Outfitted in Silver plastic with yellow accents, the Speed had the same EFI map as the Cannibal but with an 11500 rev limit. This map might provide the highest top end power and speed of any Cannondale quad. All Speeds had Tag bars, Ohlins shocks all around(piggyback rear) and Holeshot tires. Also came with the "toaster".

Blaze - 2002 and 2003 - This was Cannondale's GNCC race quad out of the box. EFI map was for low/mid grunt with a 11,500 rev limit. Came silver plastic with red accents, Tag bars, Holeshot XC tires on ITP race wheels (rolled edge fronts with 9" beadlock rears, black in color), Ohlins dual rate front shocks with piggyback reservoirs, Ohlins rear piggyback shock, Ohlins (Scotts) steering damper, tether cord, hand guards, wave rotors front and rear, number plates front and back, pro-peg nerf bars, and an FMF Ti4 full exhaust system.

Moto - 2002 and 2003 - This was Cannondale's MX race quad out of the box. EFI map was for all around power, especially in the mid RPM range, with a rev limit of 11,500. Moto included silver plastic with red accents, Tag bars, Holeshot MX tires on ITP race wheels (rolled edge fronts with 8" beadlock rears, black in color), Ohlins dual rate 19" long travel piggyback shocks on Cannondale +2.5" A-arms, Ohlins rear piggyback shock, +0 to +4 axle, Ohlins (Scotts) damper, tether cord, wave rotors front and rear, number plates front and back, pro-peg nerf bars, and an FMF Ti4 full exhaust system.

Glamis - 2003 only - the Glamis had silver plastic with awesome orange accents. It was the same as the Speed but with softer shock settings, ITP Sand Skate paddles, and a flag with a pigtail to light it up even. Most of the Glamis models had many of the updates as they were some of the last Cannondales produced.

thats abou it

Posted by: jesshamner

Very good post. You missed the gripper seat for the speed, blaze, moto, and glamis? models. Also, the moto had different gearing. I believe it was 13:39 whereas the other models were 13:42. I could be wrong on the exact gear ratios.