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Atv Sport Article With 06 Info
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Posted by: tido450

ive decided it definatly worth waiting for the 06's in an article bill ballance said that there will be mnany changes that will totally revolutionize the bike, and that yamaha is fully commited to have the best sport atv

Posted by: SRH

quote:
Originally posted by tido450
ive decided it definatly worth waiting for the 06's in an article bill ballance said that there will be mnany changes that will totally revolutionize the bike, and that yamaha is fully commited to have the best sport atv

yeah new handle bar bend, bng= bold new graphics, softer seat, new back break setup

Posted by: sampleez

so is it really gonna be worth waitin for an 06. it is gonna be a true 450 right. if so, is it gonna have more bore or more stroke. i'm gonna try and get one sometime this year, and i can get an 05 for a lot less when the 06 comes out if the changes aren't that significant.

Posted by: bradley300

or maybe it will be a true 450 with a few handleing improvments

Posted by: Jersey450R

Wait till you guys see what Honda has up their sleeves

Posted by: creechfan

quote:
Wait till you guys see what Honda has up their sleeves

sooooo, tell us what you know please.

Posted by: Dale512

Electric Start and BNG

Posted by: sampleez

maybe it wont be but ugly next year

Posted by: Rdogg450

quote:
Originally posted by tido450
ive decided it definatly worth waiting for the 06's in an article bill ballance said that there will be mnany changes that will totally revolutionize the bike, and that yamaha is fully commited to have the best sport atv

What was Ballance supposed to say the bike is never gonna have changes???? Remember he gets paid by Yamaha.
Who knows maybe it will have a bunch of changes but don't hold your breath.

Posted by: tido450

my lungs are fully ready to hold their breath for 7 months

Posted by: Jersey450R

I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.

Posted by: Jersey450R

quote:
Originally posted by sampleez
maybe it wont be but ugly next year

yea in 04', the 450R came out and it looked just like you man.

Posted by: beak7707

Its will be interesting to see the new 06's, but I say very little will be changed on either quad. It's not like honda or yami to change anything thats not broke. I too would like to see what suzuki has created, they've had enough time it better be good.

Posted by: airheadedduner

Being a true 450 will not be worth the wait if the rumors are true. I don't think it will make that much of a difference or the 05's would have been 450's.

Posted by: Dale512

I look for alot of small tweaks rather than major changes for the YFZ, probably mostly in the handling department. As for the LT-Z450 or whatever its gonna be called I hope its an awesome bike, Suzuki is really stepping up with racing support for our support more than any other company so I'm sure they have something up their sleeves.

Posted by: tido450

i just hope suzuki doesnt sacrifice durability for weight savings like they did with the z400, if i had to compare my z400 with food id call it a crumbled ritz cracker, its always broken, the sub frame is out being painted again because it snapped for no apparent reason, if it wernt for my fenders i woulda run my *** over with the back tires

Posted by: robman

Durability is the big ?True that,I'm waiting for the new z450 but i'll be more than happy with a moded R trade in for half the price.

Posted by: sampleez

don't get all pissy at me jersey, i didn't design the body on the R

Posted by: Jersey450R

quote:
Originally posted by sampleez
don't get all pissy at me jersey, i didn't design the body on the R

Yea, HONDA did. Why do you have a picture of one as your avatar then???

Posted by: sampleez

because that is my 400ex, which is not a 450r, and therefore, not ugly as he!!

Posted by: the Z Man

quote:
Originally posted by Jersey450R
I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.

Big Hell Yeah for that !!!!!!! They are waiting for the KILL,,,

Posted by: wastecase

remember, it will be a first year quad. the yfz had electrical probs, but a proven motor design. the trx had some crank issues, no biggie. the ltz had frame issues. thats a big one. yeah the trx has some frame problems, but not like the z400. the new z450 or whatever it is will be fast. remember, its the aftermarket potential that these motors crave. atv's have restrictments by law, so don't expect a trx/yfz killer. blah blah, i can't wait to see what's in store.

Posted by: Jersey450R

the new suzuki will most likely have electric start with a kick back up. I beleive honda will do the same. If not in 06' definitly in 07'. The yahama will still have just e. start with all the same battery problems. I feel the suzuki will be based more off the 450R and not the YFZ. They are shooting to make the most asthetically pleasing quad but with all the baddest features! This LTZ 450 is gonna be incredible. just some of my insight thats gonna get bashed.

Posted by: z400ACDC

quote:
Originally posted by tido450
my lungs are fully ready to hold their breath for 7 months

You will have to hold it a lot longer than that for major updates to the YFZ. In 07, it gets a new frame, suspension and engine.

Posted by: tido450

how did you stumble across such valuble unbelieveable information

Posted by: Jersey450R

quote:
Originally posted by tido450
how did you stumble across such valuble unbelieveable information

I'll second that.

Posted by: Shawn H

z400ACDC Has very good connections with Jeramiah Jones and Bill ballance.
He has been very accurate and knew stuff about the Z400, Yfz and the 450r before any of them were even close to being released.

He knows his chit!!!!
Notice his Sig? Oh shoot thats where both JJ and BB are from what a coincidence?

Posted by: tido450

thats sweet i didnt even notice where he was from or would i actually think he knows them, if im gonna have to wait till 07 i may as well buy one now and then get an 07 later its that big of a difference, thanks for the info gasm

Posted by: SRH

quote:
Originally posted by Jersey450R
I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.

yeah thats why they had to merge with kawi to save both there asses

no matter what suzuki builds it will never be a yamaha or honda but it may perform well but in terms of durability and reliability i wouldnt hold your breath

Posted by: Dale512

I have a YFZ and its been awesome to me but Yamaha has never been known for their reliability. Plus Suzuki and Kawasaki never merged, and either way the alliance probably helped out Kawasaki more than Suzuki.

Posted by: SRH

quote:
Originally posted by Dale512
I have a YFZ and its been awesome to me but Yamaha has never been known for their reliability. Plus Suzuki and Kawasaki never merged, and either way the alliance probably helped out Kawasaki more than Suzuki.

yeah they never been bad, in bikes anyways i dont think they really put much thought into quad til the yfz, suzuki and kawi are way deeper than an alliance, both of them were struggling equally as bad...

Posted by: Dale512

That little "Alliance" is going to be ending within the year just so you know. Its not anything more than an Alliance, although neither were doing that great in the motorsports industries both have much larger ventures that are in no way shape or form in any sort of "trouble" financially.

Posted by: hsr

quote:
Originally posted by Jersey450R
I cant wait till the LT 450 comes out and shows up Honda and Yahama. Suzuki has so much money and its gonna show, mark my words.

Suzuki just spent all of their money on RC. no j/k their 450 will be good, it better be, they know what they have to do to step it up

Posted by: Stock 400 rider

quote:
Originally posted by sampleez
maybe it wont be but ugly next year

HAHAHA!

Posted by: harescrambles

quote:
Originally posted by snowgasm
z400ACDC Has very good connections with Jeramiah Jones and Bill ballance.
He has been very accurate and knew stuff about the Z400, Yfz and the 450r before any of them were even close to being released.

He knows his chit!!!!
Notice his Sig? Oh shoot thats where both JJ and BB are from what a coincidence?

yep,ya never know who you might me talking to

Posted by: Quad18star

I'm still amazed at when I see people say that " well maybe I should wait till the next year before buying .. it'll be better " ... if you think like that all the time , you're gunna be sitting out on the side lines for years and years . Of course the Companies are gunna improve their Machines every year ... thats what keeps them " Up Top" in the business .

I'm sure Yamaha will improve things on the YFZ ... but to put off a purchase because maybe the next year will be better ... who cares . Unless you're Doug Gust or Tim Farr or J. Jones ... you probably WON'T notice the difference if they tweak the suspension ... add 10cc more .

Go out and make the purchase ... if you keep waiting , you'll be sidelined for '05, '06, '07 , '08 , '09 .... get where I'm going ??

Posted by: z400ACDC

quote:
Originally posted by Quad18star
I'm still amazed at when I see people say that " well maybe I should wait till the next year before buying .. it'll be better " ... if you think like that all the time , you're gunna be sitting out on the side lines for years and years . Of course the Companies are gunna improve their Machines every year ... thats what keeps them " Up Top" in the business .

I'm sure Yamaha will improve things on the YFZ ... but to put off a purchase because maybe the next year will be better ... who cares . Unless you're Doug Gust or Tim Farr or J. Jones ... you probably WON'T notice the difference if they tweak the suspension ... add 10cc more .

Go out and make the purchase ... if you keep waiting , you'll be sidelined for '05, '06, '07 , '08 , '09 .... get where I'm going ??

You hit the the nail on the head! If you are waiting to get the best quad ever, you will never buy one. The next one will always be better. When I bought my brand new 1982 ATC 185S, I thought that was the greastest thing ever. Then, in 83, Honda brought out the 200X and I had to get one of them. It just kept going on and on, Blaster, Banshee, EX, Raptor ans Z400. I don't know what is my next one, but it will be better I'm sure

Posted by: Atkins450

If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Dont get your hopes up about the ltz450, can you find many areas on the yfz or 450r that suzuki could improve on? not really.

Posted by: SRH

quote:
Originally posted by Atkins450
If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Dont get your hopes up about the ltz450, can you find many areas on the yfz or 450r that suzuki could improve on? not really.

i heard the lt 450 is coming with aluminum chassis like the 450 bike, the bike motor , and a race ready chassis, which i beleive suzuki will do, this wikll only benefit the guys who ride stock but it will be cool to see

Posted by: YamaWarr0121

u want an alluminum chassie'd 450? sounds like an ATK to me!

Posted by: Dale512

Atkins450, of course the YFZ can be stroked for the full 449cc, all they did was destroke it to get it down to 439cc. I can find plenty of areas that both the YFZ and 450R can both be made better.

Posted by: SRH

yeah i do

Posted by: hondakiller

quote:
Originally posted by Atkins450
If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Not true! The WR450 crank is a "bolt on" and it strokes the YFZ 1.4mm to 449cc. And many companies offer 4mm strokers for the YFZ.

Posted by: Kennethyfz450

many companies offer the 4mm stroker for the wr.
not the yfz

but like you said you can bolt up a wr kit cheap

i believe 280 with everything you need

Posted by: GNCCer

quote:
Originally posted by Atkins450
If it is made a true 450 it will get more bore, as it cannot be stroked any farther.

Dont get your hopes up about the ltz450, can you find many areas on the yfz or 450r that suzuki could improve on? not really.

What are you talking about my YFZ is a 470 and has stock bore. all the displacement was added by stroking it. plus like someone else said the bike motor has a longer stroke??????

Posted by: popo

quote:
Originally posted by SRH
yeah thats why they had to merge with kawi to save both there asses no matter what suzuki builds it will never be a yamaha or honda but it may perform well but in terms of durability and reliability i wouldnt hold your breath

I have seen many Yfz450 and Honda 450R with broken frame and subframes also.

Why is everyone and there brother running to get six point subframes for the Yam and Honda. Hmmm cause they are junk.

Posted by: Dale512

Who makes aftermarket Sub-Frames for 450R?

Posted by: suzukitony64

OK boys , this is a meeting at I believe it was Dirtwheels, where suzuki had a meeting with them to talk about the z450 and share ideas. Robman noticed these pics on the table of what we believe to be concept drawings of it or actual prototypes. Problem is my photo shop is crap and this is the best i could do will find out what month maybe someone can fix it up or at least clean it
http://ca.msnusers.com/ics5t0sl2b8reith9j7l3kasu3/Documents/z450%5B2%5D.jpg