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300ex faster than z400 no way
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Posted by: KOG

my freind says that his 300ex will smoke a z400 and im geting a z400 soon his ex has 1000$ put into the moter do u guys think he will smoke me or even beat me

Posted by: SHOCKER

what does he have in his motor, i dont thinik he will its all on the rider, get to know your bike before trying to race him because your going to make yourself look like a fool if ya get it and right away race him before knowing your bike

Posted by: Billdog350

Even a pretty modded 300 won't compare to a stock z400. Again it will depend on riders but I think this guy is in for a rude awakening.

Posted by: JDiablo

IMO i think a 350 gthunder kit in a 300 will make the 300 keep up with the 400 until the 300 hits the rev limiter and/or the 400 will take it in 5 gear...not flaming or anything though

Posted by: TheFontMaster

I rode a stock z-400 the other day and it will take alot to the 300ex motor to alow it to keep up. I think that even with the 350 kit the z will win by a long shot.

Posted by: lsittingbull

Give me few days And i`ll let you know, my friend just spent 1600 bucks on getting a 330 kit installed in his 300ex he wants to beat a stock kfx400

I keep telling him, dude just buy the z400 if you want a fast trail bike. He`s going to be really mad when I put a pipe on it.

Posted by: Billdog350

For the $1600 for the kit, he could have sold the 300ex and bought a used KFX/Z cash.

I sincerely doubt that a 330 ex will even come close to a stock z400. 300ex is 15 rwhp stock. Kit MAYBE adds 5rwhp and that would be a lot. That means you're STILL down 13rwhp from the STOCK z400.

People think these "kits" give machines all kinds of power. Even if you're running a wicked cam, all kinds of compression, etc....you're still dealing with a 300cc motor....(give or take) and you can only get so much out of it before you need to get beefy rods, cranks, bearings, etc.

I learned over the years: Start with a good machine and you won't spend all your time trying to make it something that its not. Sure you can make a 30 hp blaster....but for the money you'll put into it you could have bought a nice 400ex in good condition that already has 30hp RELIABLY!!!!

Posted by: Shuee_400

My friend has a 450R and runs fourstroke B and he allways tell me how jeremy benson who runs sports class on a 300ex blows by him in the open sections. i think its a four stroke tech 350 but im not sure.

Posted by: nemesis

That's all rider there. A 450R will smoke a 300ex by a long, long shot.

Posted by: 04-KFX400

No way can the 300ex smoke the z400.......

Posted by: kraz

Actually billdog you can get a blaster to much more over 30 horse power without it costing as much as a used 400ex.

blasters are cheap say you buy a used one for 1500, and a 400ex used for what 3000-3500?

well blaster theres a porting company called cpcustoms, that gets there motors up to 40 horsepower with jsut porting new pipe and larger carb, all adds to a lil over 600 buks.

o well anywasy a 300 ex puts around 16hp, and i msure the bore kit will ad more than 5 hp, but still wont beat a kfx

Posted by: bigcountry300ex

i own a 330ex and me and my brother have a Z too, drag racing the Z will win all the time, but through the woods i can beat my brother, it just depends on the rider

Posted by: roostin_dale

I have a 250x with a 298 stroker...Yesterday at my race I beat the only 3 z-400's on the track

no offense but z-400's are nuthin special on the track without alot of mods...

Posted by: Billdog350

Kraz, you're looking at pure cost. Of course you might be able to mod a blaster up to 30 hp, but its not STOCK. Additionally you're dealing with a motor and frame that haven't changed since 1987...there is a bit to be desired on the handling. I'm not saying you can't race or go decent with a blaster...but I'll bet you can go BETTER with 400ex. Stock vs stock of course you can't compare. However by the time you get the proper swingarm, a-arm, shocks, axle, frame, etc on the Blaster I think you'll find that you're close to the cost of a 400ex that you can turn the key and go at the flick of a button and not have to maintain like a 2 smoke.

Posted by: bradley300

quote:
Originally posted by TheFontMaster
I rode a stock z-400 the other day and it will take alot to the 300ex motor to alow it to keep up. I think that even with the 350 kit the z will win by a long shot.

wrong

thier dead even with 14/38 gearing but, the z does have a higher top speed

this is assumingthe z is BONE stock, even with a pipe, the z will pull just quick enuff that a better rider wont make the difference

Posted by: bradley300

quote:
Originally posted by Billdog350
For the $1600 for the kit, he could have sold the 300ex and bought a used KFX/Z cash.

I sincerely doubt that a 330 ex will even come close to a stock z400. 300ex is 15 rwhp stock. Kit MAYBE adds 5rwhp and that would be a lot. That means you're STILL down 13rwhp from the STOCK z400.

People think these "kits" give machines all kinds of power. Even if you're running a wicked cam, all kinds of compression, etc....you're still dealing with a 300cc motor....(give or take) and you can only get so much out of it before you need to get beefy rods, cranks, bearings, etc.

I learned over the years: Start with a good machine and you won't spend all your time trying to make it something that its not. Sure you can make a 30 hp blaster....but for the money you'll put into it you could have bought a nice 400ex in good condition that already has 30hp RELIABLY!!!!

and my 350 has a dyno proven 30 horse, with plenty of low end to spare if i wanted to sacrifice it for some more topend hp. and its plenty reliable so far and i'm only at 11:1 compression right now too, might try 12 or 13:1 later down the road

and actually, you can get an easy 40 horse from a blaster that will smaoke a 30 horse 400ex, and of couse it wont be as reliable, its a two stroke

Posted by: XCAdam89

quote:
Originally posted by bradley300
and my 350 has a dyno proven 30 horse, with plenty of low end to spare if i wanted to sacrifice it for some more topend hp. and its plenty reliable so far and i'm only at 11:1 compression right now too, might try 12 or 13:1 later down the road

and actually, you can get an easy 40 horse from a blaster that will smaoke a 30 horse 400ex, and of couse it wont be as reliable, its a two stroke

Kurt's blaster over at PB has to be getting at LEAST 40 horse out of it. That things insane.

Posted by: XCAdam89

Here is his mods list, and a couple of pics:

Modifications:
Project Blaster L.E. Flame Yellow Graphic/Seat Cover Kit
OR Project Blaster Tech Graphic/Seat Cover Kit
Project Blaster Z400 Style Vented Race Front
OR Project Blaster Vented 03-04 Hood
Project Blaster Magura Hydraulic Clutch Kit
Project Blaster Hologram Aluminum Air Scoops
Project Blaster Hologram Aluminum Air Box
Project Blaster Carbon Fiber Tank Cover
Project Blaster Limited Edition Green Plastic
Project Blaster Laser Cut Aluminum Ringed Race Rims
Valley Manufacturing Custom Skidplate
Valley Manufacturing Custom Engine Mounts
Valley Manufacturing Emergency Brake Block Off Plate
Valley Manufacturing Bumper 2 Skidplate Guard
Valley Manufacturing Custom Footpegs
Diamond Racing +3" Roundhouse Swingarm
OR LSR +2" Roundhouse Swingarm
Diamond Racing Chromoly +2", +1" A-Arms
Diamond Racing Chromoly Steering Stem
Diamond Racing specially made sprocket hub
Diamond Racing 200cc National Cylinder
OR Diamond Racing 240cc National Cylinder
Diamond Racing 3mm Stroker Crank
OR Diamond Racing 4mm Stroker Crank
Hinson Billet Clutch Basket
Vito's Oil Injection Block Off Kit
Tag Metals T2 Bars
OR Renthal Fat Bars
Maier plastic
Checkered Flag Seat Cover
Elka Dual Rate No Preload Adj. Comp. Front Shocks w/ rez.
Elka Dual Rate No Preload Adj. Comp. Rear Shock w/ rez.
Elka shock covers
Warrior Hydraulic Front & Rear Brakes
PB Graydon Proline Pipe
OR Dyno Port Pipe
Pro Design 250R Manifold
ITP Aluminum Race Ringed Rims
OR Hiper Carbon Fiber Rims
ITP front Holeshot MX Tires
Titan rear Turf Tamer Tires
OR Titan rear Fast Trekker Tires
OR ITP rear Holeshot MXR Tires
Kiehin PWK Race 35mm Carburetor
OR CPW 30mm Carburetor
White Brothers Power Filter
PEP Steering Damper
RPM Dominator +4 Axle
RPM Lock Nut
Pro Graph-X Custom Number Plate Backgrounds
Graydon Proline GPCM Aluminum Nerf Bars
Pro Design Kill Switch
AC Racing Front Bumper
OR DG V-Pro Front Bumper
OR New Age Front Bumper
OR IMS Front Bumper
OR Moose V-Front Bumper
Graydon Proline Desert Grab Bar
OR AC Racing Grab Bar
Boyesen Power Reeds
Terry Cable Thumb Throttle
Renthal Grips
Motion Pro Cables
Russell steel braided brake lines
Powdercoated, Gussetted Frame
D.I.D. X-Ring ATV Racing Chain
DG Performance Rear Skidplate
Acerbis Rally Handguards

Pics:

http://www.vcatv.com/PBpictures/PBblasterpics/kurt04blastergreen5.jpg

http://www.vcatv.com/PBpictures/PBblasterpics/kurt04blastergreen8.jpg

http://www.vcatv.com/PBpictures/PBblasterpics/kurt04blastergreen9.jpg

http://www.vcatv.com/PBpictures/PBblasterpics/kurt04blastergreen10.jpg

http://www.vcatv.com/PBpictures/PBblasterpics/kurt04blastergreen6.jpg

Posted by: XCAdam89

Again, here is a quote from cpcustoms website:

"The blaster is an excellent beginners sport quad and has the potential to make very respectable hp. A few of CPC's customers have had dyno numbers in the 38-41 rear wheel hp range with a 200cc stock stroke motor. That is a huge improvement over the 13-15 stock rear wheel hp that the bikes come with. CPC can port your blaster for many different levels of performance as well as different types of fuel (pump gas, race fuel, methanol). Whether you ride trails, mx, dunes or all out drag the port work can be custom tailored to your riding conditions."

Posted by: SHOCKER

blaster i think respond so good to mods its unbeliavable, i have 1 with the basic pipes and filter, but i also got reeds and reed spacer and just putting the reeds and reed spacer in woke it up alot, im happy with it but it still doesnt compare to my Z

Posted by: XCAdam89

You can't really compare the two, because they are not even in the same "league" but they are quick bikes for 200cc.

Posted by: Billdog350

That is exactly what they are. They're the quickest 200cc quad out there (and the only ones that I know of) and even possibly in the 200-300 cc class they're the easiest to modify and up hp. YOU are STILL dealing with a FRAME that is unchanged since 1987. The technology on the 1999+ 400ex is quite a bit different. You can't compare the two. My point is still that you need to MOD the Blaster to match the 400ex power, and then you'll STILL be low on torque and have an inferior suspension.

Posted by: XCAdam89

I know your point, but you can make up for the less than par suspension with the money you save, you can get a brand new quad for 3,199, with that money you save, slap some elkas on it and your back up to par.

Posted by: Billdog350

I still disagree. Some $500-700 shocks won't make up for poor ergonomics, poor design, and the smaller size. To make the machine handle properly you will need extended A-arms, extended swingarm, +2 axle, etc. Look at any SERIOUS rider out there who has tricked out his Blaster to 30+ hp and you will see that eventually they start focusing on suspension. No matter WHAT parts you put on a blaster, a 6ft 250 lb person will not fit on it as well as a 400ex. Ok, so evaluate both with a 5.5 ft person? Even so, the Blaster is narrow and short for them. I agree you can buy them for cheaper and trick them out easier...but as far as a good handling 30 hp machine for a given $ amount? A used 400ex will beat a NEW or used Blaster any day.

Posted by: bradley300

who cares what everybody says? blasters fit me well, so well in fact i'm selling my 300 to mod oput my blaster.

in the end, if you spend the same amount of money on a 400 and a blaster motor, the blaster will be faster in the end, as for suspension, if your serious in to racing, theres nothing on the blaster that you would end up replacing that you wouldnt replace on the 400 anyway, yes the blaster has worse geomtry, but the 400ex has out dated 1980's geomtry just like every other quad on the market, its not that high tech, just a little more rake on the a-arms, big deal.

on my stock blaster, i have no problems keeping up with a lot of the b class gncc guys on thier 450rs, yfz, raptors, 400ex's. but i dont even race them, my class is warriors and smaller, and in that class, a blaster does just fine, and yes, you can make a blaster go faster than a z400 also

Posted by: 250rmike

you can make any quad faster than any other quad with the right amount of money i think it all comes down to which quad you feel comfortable on. i know i felt cramped on my blaster and that was a couple year ago. my knees were always hitting the plastic i felt good on my friends 300 but when i bought the r it was a world of difference. none of the newer fourwheelers are really high tech. (besides the cdales/atk's) i mean they are getting to the point where they are the motors are and some of the suspension are on the higher end but were just not there yet.

Posted by: trict_out

a 330 can run neck and neck with a stock z. ask mickey dunlap or read the atv action artice on the four stroke tech 330, i know im not the only one that saw that.

Posted by: trict_out

I cant be the only one who saw that. Mickey come back me up im feelin alone here.

Posted by: Billdog350

How much does a 330 that's tricked out to run neck and neck with a z cost? Used Z= $3500. Used 300ex=$2000 plus $X amount of mods to make it as fast as a z. $1500 worth of engine and suspension sounds about right.....